Unwarranted Black E-mail

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:01 pm

Today, I got an e-mail in my personal acct (the 1 4 close friendz & family...not the acct I list on sitez) from "Orlok" updating info on The Black Ball. I find this very odd considering that I am NOT a member of the private forum which may not be named & have NOT been asked 2 bcum 1... not 2 mention that I did NOT EVER give that e-mail addy 2 said organization.

Personally, I could not care less about the drama & conflict over this Forum/group/event... go... don't go... whatever! However, I do not appreciate this liberty being taken with my personal e-mail acct. Besides, I have already made it quite clear that I am almost never available on Saturdayz, n e way. I'm saying this here, because as a non-member of the other group, it'd b kinda hard to tell 'em there (& they'r all here n e way).

So,... Orlok, please, cease & desist e-mailz 2 my personal acct :!:

If u feel the need 2 send me further info, ... please, send it 2 thestormstress@yahoo.com az per my profile.

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:03 pm

LOL...I suppose Orlok just wanted to make sure everyone who doesn't check upcoming events knows about the venue change...

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:17 pm

Chris and I are also interested in how these emails are arriving. He is no longer a member of Knoxgothic, and obviously not the private forum which may not be named, but he received the announcement in his personal AND school email address, which is reserved strictly for professors and other students. This is severely unappreciated. The information about the change of venue is mentioned in MANY areas of this forum, even the Dumpster. You have no right to invade our privacy, especially about something as trivial as where your club night will be held. How much animosity can you create surrounding this event?

Post by **darkvader** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:21 pm

I can assure you KnoxGothic.com did not release your email address for this purpose.

We do not release email addresses, and any mail we send you will be clearly labeled as coming from KnoxGothic.com.

Maykyr · Post by **Maykyr** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:21 pm

you all go..... down with the hackers LOL

Maykyr · Post by **Maykyr** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:22 pm

just messin round HAHAHAHA

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:27 pm

DarkVader wrote:I can assure you KnoxGothic.com did not release your email address for this purpose.

We do not release email addresses, and any mail we send you will be clearly labeled as coming from KnoxGothic.com.

I'm sure of that. Any email from KG, even private messages, are always address as Admin@knoxgothic. These came from "Orlok."

KG has never invaded our privacy.

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:50 pm

I didn't get an email. I feel unloved.

Most people don't check anything besides General, and since all the posts about it in general were moved or deleted, I suppose Orlok found a way to tell everyone...*shrug*

Everyone on here has an email address that they may list, or Orok could have just gone down the list and PMed everyone.

I don't know how the emails got out, but don't be angered by any of the KGB, because I know they wouldn't give out emails. And don't assume that the members of the private forum which may not be named know how it happened, because I haven't a fucking clue.

I don't see why receiving an email gets people's panties in such a wad. Have you never received spam? If you didn't want it, all you had to do was hit "delete".

I accept that as a KG member I'm going to receive the KG mailer. I noticed this month that un-KG sponsered events were mentioned

Every Thursday night, Lava Productions hosts an '80s night at The Electric
Ballroom. For more info, check out the thread on KnoxGothic:
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2134 or the Lava Productions
site: http://www.lavaproductions.net/
(We've been informed that it's been pre-empted next week, but it'll be back on
October 2!)

Every Friday night, a group gathers at the 11th St Expresso House for Black
Coffee Hour - it's an informal group, but will give you a chance to meet and
talk.

If you feel like getting out of town, The 5th Circle is Asheville is going to be
on October 11th, for more info: http://the5thcircle.com/

A bit farther out of town for the hardcore industrial fans is the NCC Records
Autumn Apocalypse, in Tampa, FL on October 23.
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2118

The Rocky Horror Picture Show will be playing in Lexington, KY on November 1.
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1940

Of course there was no mention of the Black Ball, but I did have to read through events I didn't care too, which I suppose is what you are upset over, having to read something you didn't ask for.

I suppose, really, everyone just wants to bitch more about things...lol.

If the private forum which may not be named had been allowed to keep a post in general, I suppose the "hacker" or whomever wouldn't have felt it necessary to send you an email...I'm guessing they felt as if your choice was being made for you.

I wish I knew how to get everyone's emails. I'd be sending out naked pictures of KG Members...every day.

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:03 pm

Buttercup wrote:

Everyone on here has an email address that they may list, or Orok could have just gone down the list and PMed everyone.

Nope. It would have been listed, as Vader and I mentioned, as admin@knoxgothic, not Orlok.

And don't assume that the members of the private forum which may not be named know how it happened, because I haven't a fucking clue.

I think they would know. How many Orloks (signed ReddErin and Seraph) do you know?

I don't see why receiving an email gets people's panties in such a wad. Have you never received spam? If you didn't want it, all you had to do was hit "delete".

I know you support this forum and this night. HOWEVER, people do have a right to insist on privacy, period. And yes, I have a spam filter that did not catch this email. And utk addresses do not have a filter. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if an email arrived at a protected account that you had no interest in receiving.

I suppose, really, everyone just wants to bitch more about things...lol.

Nope, this one is actually valid. If you don't want the KG mailer, you can request for it not to be sent to you. This was just plain disrespectful.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:22 pm

if you make your email addy public, people can send you stuff...
stormy, so they sent it to an email addy other than the one in your profile? just wondering...

so they wanted to make sure people knew about the venue change. ok. im more interested to see if email accts where fished. thats kinda strange....

deadjester · Post by **deadjester** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:58 pm

The Stormstress wrote: I'm saying this here, because as a non-member of the other group, it'd b kinda hard to tell 'em there (& they'r all here n e way).

You do know that if you receive an email from someone you can REPLY with another email. Even ask them not to send any more to you(just an idea).

And if you didn't care about the drama or conflict you would have sent a email back telling them not to send anything to that email address and that would have been the end of it. Instead , you chose a route that will cause more drama and animosity.

Post by **darkvader** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:10 pm

Buttercup wrote:I didn't get an email. I feel unloved.

Most people don't check anything besides General, and since all the posts about it in general were moved or deleted, I suppose Orlok found a way to tell everyone...*shrug*

Everyone on here has an email address that they may list, or Orok could have just gone down the list and PMed everyone.

I don't know how the emails got out, but don't be angered by any of the KGB, because I know they wouldn't give out emails. And don't assume that the members of the private forum which may not be named know how it happened, because I haven't a fucking clue.

I don't see why receiving an email gets people's panties in such a wad. Have you never received spam? If you didn't want it, all you had to do was hit "delete".

I accept that as a KG member I'm going to receive the KG mailer. I noticed this month that un-KG sponsered events were mentioned
Every Thursday night, Lava Productions hosts an '80s night at The Electric
Ballroom. For more info, check out the thread on KnoxGothic:
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2134 or the Lava Productions
site: http://www.lavaproductions.net/
(We've been informed that it's been pre-empted next week, but it'll be back on
October 2!)

Every Friday night, a group gathers at the 11th St Expresso House for Black
Coffee Hour - it's an informal group, but will give you a chance to meet and
talk.

If you feel like getting out of town, The 5th Circle is Asheville is going to be
on October 11th, for more info: http://the5thcircle.com/

A bit farther out of town for the hardcore industrial fans is the NCC Records
Autumn Apocalypse, in Tampa, FL on October 23.
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2118

The Rocky Horror Picture Show will be playing in Lexington, KY on November 1.
http://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1940

Of course there was no mention of the Black Ball, but I did have to read through events I didn't care too, which I suppose is what you are upset over, having to read something you didn't ask for.

I suppose, really, everyone just wants to bitch more about things...lol.

If the private forum which may not be named had been allowed to keep a post in general, I suppose the "hacker" or whomever wouldn't have felt it necessary to send you an email...I'm guessing they felt as if your choice was being made for you.

I wish I knew how to get everyone's emails. I'd be sending out naked pictures of KG Members...every day.

From the KnoxGothic.com rules:

4. All advertising of community events posted by KG users will be placed in the Upcoming Event’s forum. Event announcements placed in any other KnoxGothic forum will be moved to the Upcoming Events forum by a Mod. If you want the event added to the calendar, or the announcement sections at the top of the index page, contact arkady@knoxgothic.com via email at least 48 hours in advance with the word “Community Event” as the subject. FYI This rule may be occasionally broken only the KGB, life just kind of sucks that way.

This is NOT a new rule, it's existed for quite some time. Since the the private forum which may not be named crew never even asked the KGB for permission to post the event in General, I see no reason why they should not be required to observe the rules.

And I know we've been accused of not observing this rule for other events, but I can assure you that I've personally moved several events out of General in the past few months.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:48 pm

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Stormstress, thank for starting this thread; it means that I didn't have to. TheSym & I both got the spam (no offense to the person Spam) from the private forum which may not be named at our private email addresses that could only have been accessed through KG.

I really don't appreciate being spammed and I believe that the rules of KG specifically prohibit this type of abuse.

Also, Jonathon, I'd like to point out that my known screen id did not receive the mailer; however, my second & third, and the Sym's, did.

None of those identities, TheSym or my second and third, have the email function turned on.

So, I have to guess that either "Orlock" used the KG email list, without KG's permission, or, actually got into our hidden profile information somehow.

If "Orlock" has breeched all of the KG members' private information, what is going to be done about it?

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:00 am

Yeah, I'd like to know what's going on, too. Chris has sent private messages that have not been returned by Orlok.

Chris received two spam messages at email addresses which have NEVER been registered with ANY forum. How the hell does that happen?

BlackCat · Post by **BlackCat** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:40 am

Ones Privacy Policy can never be over looked.

Question: Does this board have an publicly viewable Privacy Policy?

Looking at the private information is not the issue... it's the fact that someone used the private information for use other than what it was intended.

I am not sure if this is someone of the board violating the policy or if someone has gained access to this information.

I would look into whom might have access to the lists of private information for the board and restrict that to a very limited number of people. If it is a "hack" it also needs to be addressed on how the said person got into the information.

Apologize to angry parties and and figure out what steps need to be taken so this situation will not happen again. An update in the Privacy Policy might be in order to cover some of the issues that might stem from this event.

I know if i got an email with the word "Black Ball" in it at Dell I would be up a creek.

I am not sure of the way this has come about because frankly it's none of my biz. I am not dogging anyone or anything so do not attack me, for this is just a suggestion about what to do.

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:23 am

Az I started this thread, I feel the need 2 respond 2 all who have posted...

Here goez an attempt (tho not quite sober) at such...

No, I don't think KG released my info or blame KG... I never gave KG my personal e-mail addy, so that'z not even viable. (Tho, yes, a few individualz here hav it)

Yes, I did reply 2 the e-mail that waz sent & request that no further things b sent 2 my acct.

:?:

Why did I bring it up here if I wanted no further drama, conflict, or animosity (deadjester)?
...
INSTINCT :!:

I considered whether it would just add 2 the on-going drama b4 I posted, but I stand by my decision 2 post az I hav.

It IZ a privacy issue.

Obviously, my instinct waz correct ... that I waz not the only 1 here 2 recieve tha same.

I still hav no probz wit' n e 1 over this or th' KFeratu saga. I still couldn't give a fuck less 'bout 99.999% of that drama here or n e other.

This iz, however, a group that I hav cum 2 enjoy, & I hav no prob sending up a "smoke signal" when I feel it'z needed. So, *puff* *puff*...

That iz all.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:32 am

The Stormstress wrote:Az I started this thread, I feel the need 2 respond 2 all who have posted...

Here goez an attempt (tho not quite sober) at such...

No, I don't think KG released my info or blame KG... I never gave KG my personal e-mail addy, so that'z not even viable. (Tho, yes, a few individualz here hav it)

Yes, I did reply 2 the e-mail that waz sent & request that no further things b sent 2 my acct.

Why did I bring it up here if I wanted no further drama, conflict, or animosity (deadjester)?
...
INSTINCT

I considered whether it would just add 2 the on-going drama b4 I posted, but I stand by my decision 2 post az I hav.

It IZ a privacy issue.

Obviously, my instinct waz correct ... that I waz not the only 1 here 2 recieve tha same.

I still hav no probz wit' n e 1 over this or th' KFeratu saga. I still couldn't give a fuck less 'bout 99.999% of that drama here or n e other.

This iz, however, a group that I hav cum 2 enjoy, & I hav no prob sending up a "smoke signal" when I feel it'z needed. So, *puff* *puff*...

That iz all.

Having a dissenting opinion about an issue that affects the whole group is not drama, stirring drama, or instigating drama.
Speaking out when you feel that your (or someone else's) trust, privacy, or person has been abused is not drama.

My opinion on the abuse of the word "drama" can be found here.

Maybe we've found some pretty stable common ground after all, stormstress.

Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:23 am

JaNell wrote:Also, Jonathon, I'd like to point out that my known screen id did not receive the mailer; however, my second & third, and the Sym's, did.

Okay. Just curious, because I'm the inquisitive sort. I understand the JaZilla account as a joke, but why would anyone need a third account? I mean, it's surely not for privacy, since you can check off being invisible.

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:35 am

Still no answers? This is looking very shady.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:40 am

Caustic wrote:Okay. Just curious, because I'm the inquisitive sort. I understand the JaZilla account as a joke, but why would anyone need a third account? I mean, it's surely not for privacy, since you can check off being invisible.

'Cause I'm silly like that. I get in very silly playful moods (JaZilla) and in one of them I created a third screen persona to express less, um, squishy playfulness.
:lol:

OK, I confess:
I'm iblis. The guy we know as ibbie just agreed to go along with the joke.

The all lowercase name and posts fooled y'all pretty good, didn't it?

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