NINE INCH NAILS - [WITH_TEETH]

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Sun May 01, 2005 8:35 am

Jack wrote:The stuff in between just sounds too much like reasonably bland guitar rock. If I want to listen to guitar rock, I'll listen to The Kills. At least they're sexy, like The Cramps or Girls Against Boys are sexy.

You've pretty much summed up the way I feel about this album as well. Its like NIN is tryng to sound like a guitar-driven rock band, and sucking at it. If ol' Reznor wants to re-invent himself, more power to him, but I won't be buying this album.

Oh and Jack, if you like the Cramps or GvsB you need to find some Guitar Wolf. They are amazing.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sun May 01, 2005 3:09 pm

Nephilim wrote:Oh and Jack, if you like the Cramps or GvsB you need to find some Guitar Wolf. They are amazing.

Preachin' to the choir on that one. Even got the 15-year-anniversary DVD.

Too bad Bass Wolf died recently. That probably means the end of the band...

Nigredo · Post by **Nigredo** » Sat May 07, 2005 12:32 pm

Not the best he has made, but it's OK. :shrug:

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Sun May 08, 2005 9:46 am

It feels a little unfinished, but maybe my expectations were too high. Also a little too whiney, but I have a low tolerance for that in lyrics. My 2 cents.

Codeine Coma · Post by **Codeine Coma** » Sun May 08, 2005 5:38 pm

Monophonic wrote:i give props to trent for evolving his sound. we already have a "downward spiral". personally i don't want another. each nin album to me has it's own "vibe". i dig that. i like the new stuff for what it is, i can't compare it to past albums.

I agree and well said.

blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sun May 08, 2005 5:46 pm

Nirvana drummers should not try to play NIN songs. The drumming on this album is crap. I miss Chris Vrenna.

Aerick Ravenheart · Post by **Aerick Ravenheart** » Mon May 09, 2005 5:27 pm

I liked it, especially ONLY, but this is NOT his best album, and he procrastinated and put it off for far too long that in the end it dissappoints us a bit. Marilyn Manson, in my opinion, has now found himself the champion of the two performers. Trent, umm...sorry man.
You WERE God at one time ten years ago, but Manson has ya beat.

pestilance · Post by **pestilance** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:39 am

Ok for what it's worth yes I believe I would have rather the album been more gritty less mellow but with that said I go for the lyrics and as such I think Trent knows what the hell he is doing. You can put out the same stuff every single cd and become the next fast food entity churning out exactlly the same product and weight of your previous stuff as a musician of our age or you can attempt to go somewhere you havn't yet. Trent always does the latter. If you want conformity check out 3 Doors Down new stuff it might be more to your liking.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:01 am

this record is garbage
it could have been good and still a new direction
that's what i don't understand
people say like
oh well at least he's trying something new
yeah
well it sucks
i don't like it
try something new that sounds good

as far as the trent was god comment

no
he was trying to be skinny puppy
emulating someone else doesn't make one god

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:09 am

rec|use wrote:no
he was trying to be skinny puppy
emulating someone else doesn't make one god

To quote Jules, "Exactamundo." Exactly my thoughts when Pretty Hate Machine was first released.

Some of the engineering and soundscape aspects of Downward Spiral were impressive, but that is about as far as my admiration for him goes. Have not been into anything he has done since then at all.

He's not trash, he's just not as innovative as he is given credit for being.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:19 am

He's not trash, he's just not as innovative as he is given credit for being

well said

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:29 pm

pestilance wrote:Ok for what it's worth yes I believe I would have rather the album been more gritty less mellow but with that said I go for the lyrics and as such I think Trent knows what the hell he is doing. You can put out the same stuff every single cd and become the next fast food entity churning out exactlly the same product and weight of your previous stuff as a musician of our age or you can attempt to go somewhere you havn't yet. Trent always does the latter. If you want conformity check out 3 Doors Down new stuff it might be more to your liking.

bingo.

it is a new direction in alot of ways, people just wanted something they didnt get.
honestly, i think its some of his best work.

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:38 pm

pestilance wrote:Ok for what it's worth yes I believe I would have rather the album been more gritty less mellow but with that said I go for the lyrics and as such I think Trent knows what the hell he is doing. You can put out the same stuff every single cd and become the next fast food entity churning out exactlly the same product and weight of your previous stuff as a musician of our age or you can attempt to go somewhere you havn't yet. Trent always does the latter. If you want conformity check out 3 Doors Down new stuff it might be more to your liking.

I don't think that Mr. Reznor has ever been the lyric gawd that everyone makes him out to be...I mean...While better than the mass populace of modern music...Just not my cup o' tea...I mean...Alot of bands that people have never heard of...Or take for granted...have a hell of alot better, more intellegent, more poetic lyrical content...I'm not ragging on the guy...I mean...He's done more than I have, or probably ever will musically...He does have vision...Even if sometimes, that vision is someone elses entirely...*cough, cough, Oghr, cough*...But...He has brought alot to the table in aspect of programming, recording, & most of all....Marketing...The guy has made everyone think he's a genious...By selling them mediocor music...That's what's so impressive to me...But this is just my opinion...If you dig it...That great...I just don't see it...

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:01 pm

junkie christ wrote:bingo.

it is a new direction in alot of ways, people just wanted something they didnt get.
honestly, i think its some of his best work.

I dunno if it's so much that, but rather people getting something they didn't want. It'll probably drive some fans away and at the same time bring new fans that didn't like his earlier stuff into the fold.

Personally, I don't really find this innovative at all, as it sounds like a lot of other stuff that's already out.....that I also don't really enjoy. To me, it's not so much a new direction for music as it is a new direction for him.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue May 10, 2005 6:58 pm

I didn't think Pretty Hate Machine sounded like Skinny Puppy. I thought it was more like he was trying to be a dark version of Prince.

And I don't think he wrote any particularly good lyrics after Broken. And the best lyrics on Broken had already appeared four years earlier on the first Pigface album!

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Tue May 10, 2005 8:16 pm

Jack wrote:I didn't think Pretty Hate Machine sounded like Skinny Puppy. I thought it was more like he was trying to be a dark version of Prince.

Yeah, I agree...doesn't sound anything like skinny puppy to me...PHM was too digestible by the average angsty kid in a trenchcoat...much more mainstream than skinny puppy...

And as for lyrics..I have never been terrible impressed with his.

Don't get me wrong, I loved NIN back in the day...but I think downward spiral was the last thing I bought....

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:20 pm

Buttercup wrote:Don't get me wrong, I loved NIN back in the day...but I think downward spiral was the last thing I bought....

I bought Further Down the Spiral, which on the whole I found more interesting than the original album, much like how Fixed was a lot better than Broken.

Zeo · Post by **Zeo** » Tue May 10, 2005 9:33 pm

I think people say NIN was an SP rip-off because the drums on "down in it" sound a lot like those on skinny puppy's "dig it"....
It is pretty obvious Trent borrowed his image at the time from Nivek Ogre. Other than that, nineinchnails sounds nothing like SP.

The Prince comparison thoughâ€¦. I really don't get that at all.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:59 am

what i said was

he was trying to be skinny puppy

not sound like

the imagery that nin took on with the first record
even broken
is a huge rip on not just skinny puppy
but other acts like
nitzer ebb, and bi god 20

the video for wish
is complete rip off of the video for the bauhaus cover of ziggy stardust

where as the video for down in it
looks a lot like
stairs and flower and dig it
and sounds like dig it
and also looks like a lot of nitzer ebb videos
the drummer even had his hair cut like nitzer ebb
and trent was trying to look like nivek

not bad i'm not dissing them for this
i listened to nin for a long fucking time
and even decided to take my career path inspired by trent reznor

just not innovative
and not god

Post by **Bone** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:41 am

Okay bought the Dual disc CD/DVD and have listened to it twice now. Once on CD side, once on the 5.1 DVD.
First let me agree with Blind boy.. I HATE the drums on this album, very un-inspirational. The production work feels to me to have been rushed. The guitar work sounds like NIN guitar work, nothing new there. However there is much less electronic layering than previous album which makes the guitar stand out more... as well as the crappy drum work. I think trent needed more time on this album in production...
Now the good side. For those who have not heard this Album in 5.1.... OMG your missing where this CD shines. Trent has taken the next step of being one of the innovators in the next big sound technology for studio albums, by really taking advantage of what can be done in Surround Sound. The 5.1 mix envelopes you in sounds that swirl about you while hammering you from every direction. Close your eyes sit back and try and relax as it transports you away to another place....

back to the bad:
Basically I feel it boils down to this, Trent had a deadline, and was MUCH more concerned with the 5.1 mixing than the rest of the CD. Sadly In trying to do a more rock feel CD, Trent missed that uninspirational acoustic drum intros dont cut it (note the 16-32 beat Drums only intro ala Dance mix on several songs).... I hope he puts his whole CD in Garage band so I can rework most all of the drum tracks (IMHO the weak link in the NIN chain this CD)

All in all, aside from the drums and what feels like rushed production work to get to doing the 5.1, I like most of the new CD. The 5.1 mixing amazing! But find the basic mix far from Trents best work to date. I am still a few listens from my final opinion (to date every CD since PHM has taken about 5 full listens to grow on me, but have ended up loving in the end). Right now though, I just wish Trent had spent more time doing the groundwork mixing. Oh, and had never let dave near his studio drum kit.... So far I really have no other real complaints.

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