suicide clubs leaving movies,now real.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:17 pm

ever seen that movie suicide club?
not just a jap movie anymore.
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Death Hyperlink: Internet Suicide Pacts
Medical Journal Warns of 'Cybersuicide' Trend

By Daniel DeNoon

Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Thursday, December 02, 2004
WebMD Medical News

Dec. 2, 2004 - The car, parked on a deserted mountain road near Tokyo, had its windows taped shut from the inside. In the car were small charcoal burners -- and the bodies of seven people.

Within a few miles of the scene, another car held two more bodies.

The suicide victims were five men and two women ranging in age from 20 to 34. They came from all over Japan. What drew them together was an Internet posting from the 34-year-old woman offering a suicide pact.

On Nov. 28, four men were found dead in a Tokyo apartment where they had gassed themselves. The next day, two men and two women were found dead in a car parked near a dam outside Tokyo. Police suspect the two unrelated groups met over the Internet.

Could it happen outside Japan? Psychiatrist Sundararajan Rajagopal, MD, thinks it might. His editorial in the Dec. 4 issue of the British Medical Journal sounds the alarm. Rajagopal is with the South London and Maudsley NHS Trust in London.

"In recent years there has been concern about the role of the Internet in normal suicide -- solitary suicide, people who take their lives on their own," Rajagopal tells WebMD. "There is evidence that the Internet can influence people to take their own lives. The term coined is 'cybersuicide.' What we are seeing in Japan may occur sporadically in other countries. We cannot rule out the possibility that people, who might otherwise have taken their lives on their own, will meet on the Internet to form suicide pacts."

Suicide Sites Easy to Find

Web sites dedicated to suicide are easy to find on the Internet. Here are some excerpts from one suicide chat room:

"I somethings [sic] think I'd prefer myself dead. And then other times I do as well. And sometimes, I think I'd prefer myself dead. And rarely I don't not think I'd prefer myself dead.
"You really want to die but on the good days you programmed yourself to know that on the bad days when you really want to die you don't really want to die and that you are thinking irrationally. But i want to die."
"Now if you'll excuse me, i have a bus to catch."

"Catching a bus," on these web sites, is slang for killing oneself. Don't try to log on to save anyone. Those leaving antisuicide messages are banned from the sites.

Perhaps it was just talk and nothing serious. But psychologist Gerald Goodman, PhD, professor emeritus at the University of California in Los Angeles, says it's important to take talk of suicide seriously.

"Suicide oftentimes involves some sense of isolation," Goodman says. "Theorists say that the heart of it is meaninglessness. Meaninglessness without hope. When you look at why people do it, there are several things that add up: isolation, meaninglessness, and self-loathing -- disgust with oneself."

The Wrong Kind of Community Support

The Wrong Kind of Community Support

If isolation is part of the recipe for suicide, wouldn't a community -- even an Internet chat room of suicidal people -- keep people from killing themselves?

No, Goodman says. In fact, suicidal patients often tell him in chilling language that other people's suicides gave them "inspiration" or "courage" to kill themselves. It comes, ironically, from the human need to be known.

"The suicide wants company. The suicidal person thinks, 'I want to be known by you, and if you truly empathize with me there is no question you will want to talk me out of it - because if you know me you know it is the right thing to do,'" Goodman says. "So the empathy on these web sites is not saying, "Oh, I really understand you.' Instead, they demonstrate that they know how you feel by adding to it. It is collaborative. It is mutual support for suicide."

Goodman notes that there are many more web sites dedicated to mental health, support, and professional help than there are to suicide. But the suicide sites offer something enormously powerful.

"Mutual support is more powerful as a change agent than psychotherapy," Goodman says. "Psychotherapy is one-way intimacy. But with mutual support, we are both in it together. You aren't going to try to talk me out of it. We want the same thing. I've heard the word inspiration twice in this context. Inspiration for suicide."

Since young people are at particular risk of Internet-supported suicide, Goodman suggests that parents monitor teens' Internet use. And Rajagopal suggests that doctors and psychologists should ask depressed patients about whether they have used the Internet to obtain information about suicide.

The good news, Rajagopal notes, is that very few suicides -- only about one in 100, even in Japan -- are linked to the Internet.

"Suicide pacts are a very small proportion of suicides, and the number of Internet-linked suicides is still very small," he says. "I don't want people to be unduly alarmed."

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SOURCES: Rajagopal, S. British Medical Journal, Dec. 4, 2004; vol 329: pp 1298-1299. Sundararajan Rajagopal, MD, South London and Maudsley NHS Trust, Adamson Center for Mental Health, St. Thomas's Hospital, London. Gerald Goodman, PhD, professor emeritus, University of California, Los Angeles.

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Russo · Post by **Russo** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:35 pm

I love that movie, but I didn't think something like that could actually happen.

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:04 pm

I don't understand the whole cause for alarm thing, like you can just be surfing the net and suddenly catch it or something. If people want to kill themselves they'll do it with or without "influence". Not that i neccesarily like it, mind you, but not liking it doesnt mean it isnt going to happen.

meh..

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:22 am

Asher wrote:I don't understand the whole cause for alarm thing, like you can just be surfing the net and suddenly catch it or something. If people want to kill themselves they'll do it with or without "influence". Not that i neccesarily like it, mind you, but not liking it doesnt mean it isnt going to happen.

meh..

wow you completely missed the point, congrats.
its the power of influence factor that the net has grown this big and culture has grown this dumb to where shit like this is becoming a reoccuring factor.
when culture has arrived to a point when you have to kill yourself to fit in, thats a cause for alarm
it starts with just the people dumb enough to do it, but after a deathtoll reaches a certain point one has to ask themself were they all that stupid or is culture just outta control.
this trend is frequent enough to where its spawned a movie and has a pysch term.
thats the power of culture.
when culture can convince people who might not have otherwise done it to do it, BOOM.
im not saying it should be stopped and i dont think it should be stopped or banned or monitored or any of that shit
i think pop-culture needs to be stopped anyway, this is further proof of why.

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:18 am

I got the point.
I'm in denial that people are really the sheep they are, now hush before you ruin my delusion.

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:04 pm

If I had faith in G_d...I'd be praying for epidimics...But due to my lack of faith in humanity...I don't have to.... :kill:

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:15 pm

Hurrah. As a supporter of the Church of Euthenasia,
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org
I'm glad to hear it. People have a right to decide for themselves when they have had enough living. And. if you can convince a few other people to join you for a Kool Aid Cocktail, you have assisted in the skimming of the gene pool.

Suicide is the most personal decision you can make. I have little sympathy or empathy for anyone choosing this option by means of anything less than the most serious and rigorous soul searching possible.

Damia_Thorne · Post by **Damia_Thorne** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:25 pm

they are lemmings! :twisted:

WEEEEE! let's go run off a cliff with our internet friends! :roll:

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:33 pm

I was reluctant to believe that this is an issue, but then I had to prove it to my self. I was wrong. this is what I found.

http://slut.panservice.it/~maui/herz.htm

punkrockjoe · Post by **punkrockjoe** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:22 am

Gotta back my bro up on this one...It is the power of our shoddy culture...Im not against it myself...cultural influence is a great source of power...whether it's junkie whoring himself around at sanctus for free drinks or suicide clubs...it's that power in action...this is a more extreme way to use that power but if it rids the world of stupid people and I dont have to do anything but sit back and watch..then cool!...I think while were at it we should take advice from a very wise man named Lee Ving and have a war we could use the space...so...VOTE BUSH!!..oh too late well lets crack open a case and watch the lemmings(Damia) run off the cliff...if the rest of you are worth saving then you'll be a lot easier to get to afterwards....

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:13 pm

punkrockjoe wrote:Gotta back my bro up on this one...It is the power of our shoddy culture...Im not against it myself...cultural influence is a great source of power...whether it's junkie whoring himself around at sanctus for free drinks or suicide clubs...it's that power in action...this is a more extreme way to use that power but if it rids the world of stupid people and I dont have to do anything but sit back and watch..then cool!...I think while were at it we should take advice from a very wise man named Lee Ving and have a war we could use the space...so...VOTE BUSH!!..oh too late well lets crack open a case and watch the lemmings(Damia) run off the cliff...if the rest of you are worth saving then you'll be a lot easier to get to afterwards....

as usual, thx joe. :twisted:

1) i absolutely love that song and now its stuck in my fucking head.
its already started in the city... suburbia will be.. just as easy... . and i agree. there is too many of us.

2)im not really against the stupid people dying at all. im very libertarian bout that. i am against the power of culture convincing people that might have otherwise not done it to do it. but then again, im prodeath anyway and its more spots on the freeway.

3)im all for lemming watching if they are all that stupid.

im anti-pop-culture-bullshit because of shit like this though. doings its one thing, spreading it for this kinda reason... eh..
its the culture thing that this gets to me over. point in case, the heavens gate cult made me spill beer out my nose laughing. but when its cultural i dunno, it just annoys me.

bill hicks wrote:the miracle of life, happening in trailer parks across the country. humans are neat....... fucking morons.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:27 pm

Well, if they want to off themselves, I think it's spiffy.

Hell, for fun, they ought to check out Suicide FAQ and [url=news:alt.suicide.methods]alt.suicide.methods[/url] for some nifty ideas.

As far as being influenced by society... it's not like peer pressure's a new thing.

:mrgreen: