the private forum which may not be named - No Application Process?

[Jack]

Apparently, there is no way to submit yourself for consideration as part of the the private forum which may not be named Club. So am I to assume that new members will only consist of people that existing members "approve" of? So there will be no way for someone new to the scene to apply for membership without approaching, in person, one of the existing members?

This seems a little bit exclusionary for my tastes.

If I'm not gonna be invited to this glorious and definitive new resource for the Knoxville Gothic community, go ahead and let me know right here. In this very post.

If I am gonna be invited, go ahead and do it already.

Open communication is required for drama-free environments.

Also, I doubt the board will amount to anything more than a "clubhouse" if people can' submit themselves for consideration.

Your partner in Christ,
Jack.

[Hardcoregirl]

This seems a little bit exclusionary for my tastes.

Also, I doubt the board will amount to anything more than a "clubhouse" if people can' submit themselves for consideration.

Well, if its too exclusionary for your tastes...I guess it's not for you..

And I don't think our whole plan it to "amount" to being a definitive gothic source.

But, I do know, that no one will demand entrance and receive it immediately.

Thats just icky.

But I don't think the KGB really wants another thread of arguing...so I say everyone should just drop it. If we think you'll get along well with us and not bring the drama, you'll eventually get invited.

[Nemesis]

If we think you'll get along well with us and not bring the drama, you'll eventually get invited.

[Jack]

But, I do know, that no one will demand entrance and receive it immediately.

That's not what I said. I said there is no link on the page to "apply" for consideration. Therefore, if someone wants to be on the board but is someone you don't know, how can they ever join?

If we think you'll get along well with us and not bring the drama, you'll eventually get invited.

Then please define "drama". My definition of "drama" includes people who blog about other people in a mocking and insulting way without referring to specific things they have done.

Example:

"Oh my God! My boyfriend cheated on me! That asshole!" That is not drama.

"This girls is such a stupid whore. Oh my God, I can't believe how fucking retarded she is. Get a life!" That is drama.

Drama is in the eye of the beholder. In most cases, if people would stop calling it "drama", it would cease to BE drama.

The internet is all about communication. Some people may not agree with everything I say. Some people may not agree with things other people say.

There is a difference between "drama" and "debate".

The former is what people tend to call the latter when they can't be arsed to respond intelligently and honestly.

Come on, Morgan - type like you talk. I've never heard you act this way in Real Life.

[Jack]

:rofl:

[Nemesis]

Then please define "drama".

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[Nemesis]

:rofl:

:yawn:

That's cute... and really original....

[Jack]

That's really original

No, not at all. I was doing to you what you have previously done to me. Is that not fair play? The Golden Rule and all? If you can do it, so can I.

You're not God.

I am.

[Seraph Antaine]

Apparently, there is no way to submit yourself for consideration as part of the the private forum which may not be named Club. So am I to assume that new members will only consist of people that existing members "approve" of? So there will be no way for someone new to the scene to apply for membership without approaching, in person, one of the existing members?

This seems a little bit exclusionary for my tastes.

If I'm not gonna be invited to this glorious and definitive new resource for the Knoxville Gothic community, go ahead and let me know right here. In this very post.

If I am gonna be invited, go ahead and do it already.

Open communication is required for drama-free environments.

Also, I doubt the board will amount to anything more than a "clubhouse" if people can' submit themselves for consideration.

Your partner in Christ,
Jack.

1. It is exclusive, thus the invitation-only policy.
2. It was never openly publicized, so glory was never in the design.
3. We do not seek to be definitive of anything except ourselves and our collective tastes, concerns and goals.
4. We do not seek to create a lack of drama, as drama, by definition, is the action of a story, in this case the story of real life, or our version of it. Drama is just what's going on that people care to notice at any given time. What we seek is a forum free of the artificially manufactured drama of drama mongers who have nothing better to do, which one cannot hope for in an open forum
5. It is a club. People can submit themselves for consideration, by approaching one of the 30-some people on the list of Primogen. You just can't do it on our board, as only members can post there. If you can't find one of our members who likes you enough to nominate you, then why would you want in?
6. I like you, though I don't know you well. If someone who knows you better nominates you, I will vote for you myself.
7. Heil 0rlok!

[Jack]

Then please define "drama".

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It takes two to do the Drama Shuffle.

If you'd responded to me in an honest and straightforward way, we could have a civil discussion.

I invite you and everyone else to point out any flaws in my personality. Most likely, I will agree with you about them!

If you just "don't like me" for undefinable reasons, there's no call to be an ass about it. Just ignore me.

[Nemesis]

Then please define "drama".

This Thread

It takes two to do the Drama Shuffle.

If you'd responded to me in an honest and straightforward way, we could have a civil discussion.

I invite you and everyone else to point out any flaws in my personality. Most likely, I will agree with you about them!

If you just "don't like me" for undefinable reasons, there's no call to be an ass about it. Just ignore me.

[Hardcoregirl]

That's not what I said. I said there is no link on the page to "apply" for consideration. Therefore, if someone wants to be on the board but is someone you don't know, how can they ever join?

I suppose they can't without knowing one of the primogen. I think thats how we won't have people trolling...

Drama is terribly hard to define. Really, I don't think I can do it. I would say, its starting shit. Some would say that I start shit, but I believe I just don't take shit and I believe there is a big difference.

I'm trying to think of some examples.

I suppose a lot of it involves not minding one's own business.

Calling someone's husband to tell them what their wife did at a party..inventing battles where there are none, saying that there is some sort of ill feelings toward the nashville scene, um, saying hey, look they've got a club we weren't invited to!, threatening people's lives on a board, starting "who wants to see___ gang raped" threads, sending scathing emails to someone, sending threatening PM's, taking other peoples debating personally, calling people names, baiting people into flame wars, rehashing old arguments again and again, bitching and bitching until you get your way, not being happy with things, griping about their overmoderation then kissing the kgb's asses, not abiding by their rules even if it's their playground, etc, etc.

Oh yeah, throwing general fits and generally not getting along with the majority of the members, yet REMAINING on a board.

Come on, Morgan - type like you talk. I've never heard you act this way in Real Life.

Um...ok, tell me "how I talk" since you've been around me *so* much IRL.

[Jack]

If you can't find one of our members who likes you enough to nominate you, then why would you want in?

I noticed that many people on the list are those who seem to like me, or at least understand where I'm coming from.

I fully realize that it could be perceived that things I do are drama-starting. But as you say, drama is just "stuff that goes on". It becomes drama when someone says "I don't feel like confronting these issues, so I'll just call it "drama" and use that as an excuse to honestly communicate."

The truest definition of Drama is when someone puts on an act to avoid having to reveal their own weaknesses or flaws.

I'll be the first one to type up a laundry-list of all my flaws, if anyone else would have the balls to follow suit.

[BearDragonLady]

*looks around room... and wanders out*

[Hardcoregirl]

Jack, I do like you, even if I disagree with you at times.

I haven't nominated anyone yet actually.

But, honestly, this thread isn't very pretty, so it makes me wonder what you could bring to the board.

My major flaw is being extremely judgemental. But I don't know if its really a flaw or being "discriminating". As X said, "it is easier to gain audience with the pope" than me. I haven't had nearly as many people fuck me over as the average joeschmoe who accepts everyone and I'm glad for it.

I can also tend to be VERY negative...but I have depression and anxiety problems.

It takes ALOT to really get on my bad side, but once you do, its about 100 percent likely that you'll NEVER get on my good side. I really am quite a forgiving person to those I find to be worthy and who admit their wrongs.

[Mercurygriffin]

I have noticed a simple flaw in what is going on. No one has asked what are the goals, motivation of the new forum and even thought of the posibillity that it is just another board. This is nothing new to me. If I am given a reason to want to be on that board then I will attempt to be apart of it. If not it I will have more time for other sites and more constructive things like drinking and hanging out with friends IRL. The only reason I see this as a bad idea is that it is like a sub branch of friends that haven't prewarned the community( I think, i may have missed a post.) I think personaly that If I was to be apart of it that it would just be another board. I don't see why it is a big deal. As for the people running the forum- if you want a new site that is invite only then please try to be more considerate of peoples feelings when attemping to get them to shut up and wait (My words) To the people who want in or are pissed because they weren't first on the list, or just pissed- smoke a bowl, drink a beer, or do something to calm your nerves because this is thread 2 of BS that might have to be cleaned up by this site.

[Jack]

Thank you for being so honest, Morgan. Really.

If you admit that you can be very judgemental, don't be surprised when someone is very judgemental toward you. The door swings both ways, as they say in Ghostbusters.

There's a difference between "starting shit" and "starting a conversation". If everyone would just talk to each other, and be honest (ahem NEMESIS ahem) rather than off-the-cuff insults or getting their dander all up, why not just talk it out nice and slow and make sure there are no personal attacks, no needless insults, etc.

If you want the drama to stop, you need to stop it too. We all do. Every single one. If you have some nasty comment to make, just keep it in your head. Or try to use your brain to figure out why you want to make that comment, and then actually verbalize it, simply and honestly.

Why are people so afraid of just sitting down and honestly talking about things? Did we learn this from TV shows? Soap operas?

My last plea on this matter- just talk plain and simple. Tell me what I've done wrong. I will either explain it or agree with it.

I do things wrong all the time. And I admit them and feel bad and resolve to improve.

I even admit that the way I phrased this subject was probably wrong. I should simply have posted, "How does one apply to be on the private forum which may not be named?" rather than making any further discussions.

I tend to ramble online, in case you haven't noticed.

[Mercurygriffin]

I'll be the first one to type up a laundry-list of all my flaws, if anyone else would have the balls to follow suit.

No you won't because you gave me a great idea.

1. I don't care about anything.
2. I drink alot.
3. I have the attention span of a five year old.
4. I am moody.
5. I hate almost all "goth" music.(apparently I am a "rivethead")
6. I am an actual clown and I like clowns (i Know most of you hate them).
7. I don't get all mushy when a building goes up in flames.
8. I REALLY like the idea of a killing spee ( jail prohibits).
9. I love polka.
10. I love choas.

now you go.

[Jack]

1. I'm lazy. When I have a job, I'm a great employee. But the entire process required to GET a job is so abhorrent to me that I'm lazy about getting on with it.

2. Sometimes I treat my girlfriend unfairly. I'll be snippy in the morning, or I'll get overly annoyed at something she does wrong. But when this happens, I instantly check myself and clearly think "This is stupid and won't help our relationship at all" and then attempt to be calm and honest.

3. I'm a total slacker about my writing. I wrote half a novel in two days back in February, and even have the entire plot worked out roughly, but have still made glacial progress on it since then.

4. I've let opportunities fly by me without any good reason. Several years ago I had a vast amount of money at my disposal, and instead of using it to, say, move to Amsterdam and buy into a business, I lived off it for a few years. Big dumb mistake, there.

5. My online writing style keeps pissing people off because I don't take into account that everyone else has the precise and literal reading skills that I do so that they misinterpret what I'm trying to say.

6. In social situations I can come off as brash, confident and standoffish. This is balanced by other situations in which I'm overly affectionate and honest about my appreciation for people. The latter sometimes leads them to think I'm weak and therefore take advantage of me.

7. My high external self-esteem can make people think I'm a know-it-all, but my low internal self-esteem is always ready to admit when I'm wrong. Aries Sun, Pisces Moon, dont'cha know.

8. The way I type makes people forget that I'm actually a light-hearted and casual person in real life.

9. I trust too highly in my friends, and it sometimes causes great sadness when I learn about things they've done.

10. No matter how much I think I dislike someone, whenever I talk to them face-to-face, I can't help but like them all over again, unless they're being an ass-clown to me.

11. I try to confront people with their flaws, because I expect people to do the same with me, but I fail to take into account that most people go into an instantly defensive mode when confronted like that. It's probably got something to do with parents and teachers and society in general.

12. I come off like a music snob, but it's only accidental. I'm a music junkie, so I can't help but know about lots of music.

[scarecrow]

Jesus Christ what a bunch of attention wanting children. If you don't like KG get your own forum. (applause to those who have) If you are not invited to their party SO WHAT? What the fukk ppl. There are not enuff Waaaambulances in the state for all the ppl pissed that they are not as cool as they thought they were or what the fukk ever. And NO ONE bitched about Tristate Gothic......Know why.....cause it is free.....so Go there all ye who want off KG but cant build your own site or arent friends with those who do.


*Scarecrow has not an invitation to the other board. He is simply stating to all the others that do not to quit fukking whining......sheesh.