nin- closer, the vocal performance.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:20 am

http://www.theninhotline.net/knowthesco ... drigal.mp3
an actual madrigal preformance of closer.
let them get warmed up then......hahhaahaha
i dont know if its beautiful or profane
be warned.

Exquisite Mystery · Post by **Exquisite Mystery** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:30 am

Wow. They do kind of suck in the beginning, and its hard to hear over the laughter, but the end is eerie.
If the audience wasn't there...... hmmm... it's bizarre, and hence interesting. I don't know how to describe it. Thanks for posting what is going to be my weekly weirdness.

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:55 am

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:39 am

Halleluiah ..errr... sumthin'... :-?

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:53 pm

i really dug it, but im clinicly insane.

power-electronics · Post by **power-electronics** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:41 pm

NIN is a joke, if you really want to experience how nin got there sound I suggest listening to some Skinny Puppy / Throbbing Gristle
There are so many other bands of influence to talk about other then nin! "Broken & Fixed" from my opinion was the only albums worth mentioning from nin other then a few tracks on hate machine!

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:07 pm

Skinny Puppy was incredible but Throbbing Gristle.. i have damn near all of it Al touched and while id say right under half of it is great the rest is annoying experiments that failed.... now Foteus on the other hand... :rock:

i perfer REVCO anyday over TG personally... but the TG thats good is fucking great. period. its just the songs that dont hook you.. its because they are horrible.
but at any right... i think considering most of trents influences are outside of the genre.. probably explains why his music doesnt fit in the genre (totally agree with that portion of nin's critics)... broken/fixed being their highlight ill also agree with....

but again, if you listened to the mp3, thats scarier than anything trent ever did... lol.

power-electronics · Post by **power-electronics** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 5:45 pm

Throbbing Gristle got there sound by experimenting, most did in those days. Most of there material is live and recorded like shit making them not appeal to most people. As for the genre there were many other influences I think were great starting with SPK, to Fad Gadget. SPK is god to the industrial world until they went to the label "Netwerk" everything they released on that label was fucking horrible. There early work "Information Overload Unit ,Leichenschrei, and Auto-Da-Fé fucking murdered. Most industrial wanna-be's dream of being that good today.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:15 am

Throbbing Gristle.. i have damn near all of it Al touched

al who

half of it is great the rest is annoying experiments that failed

all of it was experimental
and none of it failed
tg and monte cazazza coined the term and devloped the genre industrial music

ie their label
industrial records
and the phrase
industrial music for industrial people

all the ebm and dance floor shit that has come after
is just watered down and formulated garbage to appeal to a wider audience

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:42 am

YummY A thread I can sink my teeth into! TG was experimental in every aspect of the word. Much of what was recorded comes off as subpar, because it was meant to be experienced LIVE AND LOUD, at shit disturbing frequencies...What makes bands from that era (SPK, Test Department, Einsturzende Neubauten) so important is that they laid the groundwork for the better sounding bands that followed them - Coil, Foetus, Skinny Puppy. You can hardly call what Radiohead does today by fiddling around with sounds experiemental in the light of all that has gone on before them. Best of all, TG led directly to Coil, Current 93, Psychic TV and all of their branches.

Take Neubauten. They were as experiemental as you could get. Throuhg the years they have learned what works and what does not and have fine tuned their art to the point where they have become awesome musicians, but hardly experiemntal anymore - They have perfected their sound.

There are still a lot of interesting dabblers out there today. My personal favorite, Steven Stapleton has been mixing it up as Nurse With Wound for many years and many albums, and he continues to experiment with sound, never letting himself get tied down to something done right. Frustrating sometimes, but he gets my respect for never being satisfied with something, always gunning for something different.

Oh yeah, Trent Reznor. Not bad, I remember thinking Pretty Hate Machine was like bad catchy Skinny Puppy. He did impress me with Downward Spiral, more for his skill as a composer, as attentive to layers and details as Coil or Foetus. Sadly, he is tooseasily distracted by the allure of single songs and album sales.

Balance · Post by **Balance** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:55 am

bump! There's only one problem w/ skinny puppy, most of their shit is unlistenable.
Trents goddamn problem is there hasn't been an album in 5 years, (live and mixes don't count) then 4 yrs between d/s and fragile.

My (personal) opinion is downward spiral is one of the finest albums ever made.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:15 am

There's only one problem w/ skinny puppy, most of their shit is unlistenable.

you have got to be fucking kidding me

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:15 am

rec|use wrote:
There's only one problem w/ skinny puppy, most of their shit is unlistenable.

you have got to be fucking kidding me

Why? I personally think they suck flea-infested goat balls.

To each their own.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:59 am

i guess that's why trent reznor tries so desperately to be nivek every day of his life

white_darkness · Post by **white_darkness** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:22 pm

NIN bashing aside (I personally hate NIN) but I think the ending of that madrigal version of closer is beautiful.

Particularly that woman's voice at the end doing those ending tones, that's just gorgeous.

Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:42 pm

rec|use wrote:i guess that's why trent reznor tries so desperately to be nivek every day of his life

I think it's so he can appeal to the h4rdk0r crowd and get your money as well.

Glad to see you back

!!!

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:07 pm

Balance wrote:bump! There's only one problem w/ skinny puppy, most of their shit is unlistenable.
Trents goddamn problem is there hasn't been an album in 5 years, (live and mixes don't count) then 4 yrs between d/s and fragile.

My (personal) opinion is downward spiral is one of the finest albums ever made.

Unlistenable? Do you mean that you just don't like the music, or that it is unlistenable in a harsh noise Brighter Death Now / Whitehouse kind of way? SP do a bit of "noise" but I think that they are pretty accessible on the whole...Never mind...I just answered my own question didn't I :lol:

Downward Spiral is an excellent cd and certainly in my top 100. The Fragile was...Well, here's what I had to say about it when it was released.

Nine Inch Nails: The Fragile, Nothing Interscope, Halo14, 1999. After repeated listens I have come to the conclusion that this is indeed a good cd, and a more than worthy addition to anyone's collection. The problem, of course, is that no one wants this to be just a good release. They want it to be godhead. So is it the best release of 1999? Decidedly not. This is not even a contender for the top ten. After so much time in the studio and all of the rumors of Trent taking this album in a different direction from his previous releases, I was expecting something not only different, but altogether moving and exciting. In short, I was expecting too much. Thankfully - In what may have been a very shrewd and deliberate move - the pre release of the lackluster single prepared me for an album that would continue to squeeze the life out of the boring sounds of dance floor industrial pop and break little new ground. In the past Trent Reznor has shown that he is capable of producing challenging and thought provoking music as well as dancey angsty drivel. While he does continue to work some marvelous sound sculpture on The Fragile, it is simply overshadowed by too much of the aforementioned drivel to make this the release I was hoping for. Dance Floor Industrial interspersed with moments of genius.

I guess I still pretty much agree with that. Minus about 7 crappy songs - Starfuckers Inc comes immediately to mind, The Fragile would have been much stronger in my opinion.

karmakaze · Post by **karmakaze** » Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:25 pm

power-electronics wrote:NIN is a joke, if you really want to experience how nin got there sound I suggest listening to some Skinny Puppy / Throbbing Gristle
There are so many other bands of influence to talk about other then nin! "Broken & Fixed" from my opinion was the only albums worth mentioning from nin other then a few tracks on hate machine!

neubauten.