They got HIM!!!!

[blindboy]

But dead is dead bullet, lethal injection, toaster in the bath tub, 20 years in the electric chair

agreed, however I wish we here wouldn't spend so much money on the actual execution. all we should have is a room with a drain and a guy with a gun and a $0.50 bullet.

[The Fallen]

But dead is dead bullet, lethal injection, toaster in the bath tub, 20 years in the electric chair

agreed, however I wish we here wouldn't spend so much money on the actual execution. all we should have is a room with a drain and a guy with a gun and a $0.50 bullet.

Studies indicate that it costs the state an average of $2.3 million over seven years of appeals to execute someone. As for the actual execution itself well lethal injection runs around $600, the cyanide for the gas chamber is $250, I prefer hanging myself

[darkvader]

Look in the man's eyes and tell me he's more evil than Bush.

I know arguing via the Internet is dumb but...

Plain and simple: He is.

I don't see GW gassing civilians. I see no 'ethnic cleansing' at least not around my house.

And there's evidence Saddam didn't do it either.

I'm not saying he's a nice guy - I find murder unacceptable behavior for a leader, and I don't care if it's Saddam or the Illegitimate President doing it.

And yes, Georgie is a murderer.

[Logic]

A mass murderer at that.

I'm moving to Canada as soon as possible.

[vicious_blood]

I'm moving to Canada as soon as possible.

Hmm...Canada really isn't that much better. But at leaste they actually have SNOW.
Ok, I'll shut up now.

[darkvader]

well ill tell you where i stand on this. If the man is found guilty of murder (which im sure he will be) they should execute him plain and simple. to hell with all this peace love crap. if you take someones life you are executed. thats the way it should be. the same goes for rapist and child molesters. If they are found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt put a bullet in their heads.

Thus committing another murder. This solves nothing.

Besides, it's not possible to give Saddam a fair trial - anywhere in the world. Any juror or judge going into this will have an agenda.

The only appropriate thing we can do at this point is to remove him from Iraq, prohibit him from returning, and put him in the witness protection program somewhere in the world - possibly Germany, France, or Russia, where he isn't likely to be attacked by a mob if he is recognized.

[Mother Mo]

This is like what would have happened if they'd caught Hitler alive. Now comes the big quandry of what to do with him. I always try to believe that the death penalty is wrong, just as murder is wrong. But if there was ever anyone that death would be a suitable punishment for, would it not be Saddam Hussein? Or if there were ever anyone who needed to learn that the value of human life is too great to destroy under any circumstance, would that not also be Saddam?

I worry about increased violence now, due to the way his image was broadcast. Those still loyal to his ideologies will see it as the rudest insult we could have delivered to them under the circumstances. Some people being interviewed actually imply that maybe the fighting will end now, when terrorists have just been given extra motivation. I'm especially worried about the people over there right now.

[shadow dancer]

But hey now we get back to looking for Osama-Been-Forgotten!!!!!
(thanks ShadowDancer for that one)

Don't give me complete credit for that one. That was stated by one of the CBS newscasters on Sunday morning. I just found it a rather interesting. Something tells me that Osama Bin Laden is going to be slightly more difficult to find than Hussein, but that remains to be seen.

My hope in all of this is to see Jay, as well as the other men and women fighting for our country, to come back quickly and safely.

[The Stormstress]

This is like what would have happened if they'd caught Hitler alive. Now comes the big quandry of what to do with him. I always try to believe that the death penalty is wrong, just as murder is wrong. But if there was ever anyone that death would be a suitable punishment for, would it not be Saddam Hussein? Or if there were ever anyone who needed to learn that the value of human life is too great to destroy under any circumstance, would that not also be Saddam?

I worry about increased violence now, due to the way his image was broadcast. Those still loyal to his ideologies will see it as the rudest insult we could have delivered to them under the circumstances. Some people being interviewed actually imply that maybe the fighting will end now, when terrorists have just been given extra motivation. I'm especially worried about the people over there right now.

I must agree with with Mother Mo, xcept 4 murder/death penalty being wrong. I wonder if hiz capture will spur on even more actz of terrorizm. I understand wanting 2 keep him alive 2 pump him 4 nformation (not that he'll b very helpful), but I think that Bush just wanted 2 publicize hiz capture 2 mpress the nation/world & further hiz own career/ego. Personally, I think it would hav been wizer 2 say that we found him dead... I mean, it'z not like our govt haz n-e qualmz with lying 2 the public at large.

[shadow dancer]

This is like what would have happened if they'd caught Hitler alive. Now comes the big quandry of what to do with him. I always try to believe that the death penalty is wrong, just as murder is wrong. But if there was ever anyone that death would be a suitable punishment for, would it not be Saddam Hussein? Or if there were ever anyone who needed to learn that the value of human life is too great to destroy under any circumstance, would that not also be Saddam?

I worry about increased violence now, due to the way his image was broadcast. Those still loyal to his ideologies will see it as the rudest insult we could have delivered to them under the circumstances. Some people being interviewed actually imply that maybe the fighting will end now, when terrorists have just been given extra motivation. I'm especially worried about the people over there right now.

I must agree with with Mother Mo, xcept 4 murder/death penalty being wrong. I wonder if hiz capture will spur on even more actz of terrorizm. I understand wanting 2 keep him alive 2 pump him 4 nformation (not that he'll b very helpful), but I think that Bush just wanted 2 publicize hiz capture 2 mpress the nation/world & further hiz own career/ego. Personally, I think it would hav been wizer 2 say that we found him dead... I mean, it'z not like our govt haz n-e qualmz with lying 2 the public at large.

Although I can't say I wouldn't have liked to have seen him found dead, I fear that finding him dead or killing him would have simply made him a martyr to his cause and increased the fighting in Iraq in his name. It was interesting to hear some of the interviews with the Iraqi people that felt somewhat satisfied to see him humiliated in such light after all the pain and suffering he had supposedly caused their loved ones. There were even those that were calling him a coward for not taking his own life when he knew he was going to be captured.

As for Bush's ego increase, I have no doubt that the idea of boosting his next campaign by bringing Hussein in alive was in the heads of Bush and all his staff. However, I do believe the boost to his campaign will lessen considerably as people turn their focus back to Bin Laden.

[velocity]

Saddam has very few redeeming qualities and I feel that the world ins probably a
better place now.

Our government has justified this action because he is allegedly in Cahoots with Osama. He also allegedly has weapons of mass destruction which (since he is a terrorist associated with Osama) he will use to spread terror throughout the free world.

Neither of these allegations have been proven.
In fact in UN meetings our government essentially said "We know he has these big bad weapons and can prove it but we aren't going to cause we don't have to". Much of their "proof" was later admitted by our governemt to be false/falsified. If other countries with inteligance had been consulted these "errors" may have been noticed.

So where these menacing weapons of mass destruction ?

And as bad as Saddam has been for his country; I am not convinced that whatever figure head of a leader and his staff will be better. They will be but puppets
for the conquering forces.

[junkie christ]

oh fuck it people
outside of what our department of misinformation.. im sorry the media.. damn always get those two names mixed up... has washed us into thinking the bottom line is this

• he was committing genocide to groups in his own country
• so did bush when he got there.
• we did not have reason to go there
• yes we did a good thing for absolutely no reason whatsothefuck ever but to BOOST BUSH'S APPROVAL RATING, KEEP HIM IN OFFICE, KEEP THE RIGHTWING CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTLIST WASP REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL AND GET OIL
• saddam == bad man. bush == mad man
• call a fucking potatoe a potatoe goddamnit. they are both FUCKING MURDERERS.

if you think for one second that Iraq had WMD's and we just didnt find em??? your prime example of what happens when you drink bleach. big brother has you, can i see where they pour your ideas in? CONGRATS!! YOUR SHEEP!! BAAAAA BAAAAA!!
when bush was running for president he made the statement "I dont think america is in the buisness of policing the globe"
its the only damn thing hes ever said i agreed with. damn shame he changed his mind.

one day someone is going to take america the rest of the way out and the rest of the world isnt going to give a flaming fuck because if you think for one redsecond every major world government hasnt made their backup plans for when yes i said WHEN american falls, your a naive fucker and need to donate blood and slit your wrist.

you wanna know why saddam got caught?

• THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD STOP HOWARD DEAN FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT
• Bush needs relection mojo
• Bush needs opinion poll points
• Bush needs to make the axis of evil hes a part of (read: the right wing WASP republicans) seem like some fucking good thing
• Buah needs to hide the mockery hes made of our domestic affairs.

and yea this is the only way to stop dean
until yesterday no one was fucking taking Liberman seriously?!?? comeon... like hes gonna get elected if he wins the primaries...
and what about that polesmoker the clintons are backing, Dick Gephardt ?? no shit hes trying to blame ENRON (remember that america?? didnt think so) on DEAN now. no shit.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... nron_link/
read it and weep.
Dean was the man that was going to stop the bush family // cheney reign of terror. they pulled a damn big gun to stop him too. and now the repubicans circling money into Gephardts campaign and into Libermans campaign?? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN BEAT HIM.
this is the real start of the fall of our country on so many fronts its sick
the media chooses whos in charge and hides the government staging the world events??
and now the people start to see it when its at its worse.
dont clap that saddam is caught... and need i remind you BUSH IS FROM TEXAS. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID BUSH ALLOW TO BE EXECUTED IN TEXAS WHILE HE WAS IN POWER THERE??
SADDAM WILL DIE IN IRAQ. they built a war tribunial 3 days before saddam was caught. THREE DAYS. saddam cant be killed on US soil, but if they take it anywhere but Iraq theres ways he can live. they keep it in litigation for a few weeks (long enough for the campaign trail to start) and then bush throws him over to the iraq government, looks like a hero who took the moral high road, and then the new government strings him up by his balls and lets the buzzards pluck out his fucking eyes as a sign of thanks america and dont fuck with our new government and everyones a winner.
turn off your tv and evolve.
and in closing BRING OUR TROOPS BACK.

[The Stormstress]

BRING OUR TROOPS BACK.

Amen 2 that!

[creapyrob]

Thus committing another murder. This solves nothing.

Besides, it's not possible to give Saddam a fair trial - anywhere in the world. Any juror or judge going into this will have an agenda.

The only appropriate thing we can do at this point is to remove him from Iraq, prohibit him from returning, and put him in the witness protection program somewhere in the world - possibly Germany, France, or Russia, where he isn't likely to be attacked by a mob if he is recognized.

Vader: I'd like to see that evidence that said he didn't do it. Really I would.

And as for him going into witness protection I have this to say:

1 word: Mossad

Those fella's are still tracking down Nazi's and the war has been over for amost 60 years. There isn't anywhere safe for that man. If we say we aren't going to allow the death penality in his trial someone somewhere will kill him while he is in our custody.

[velocity]

Gotta Love User Friendly

[creapyrob]

[list][*]THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD STOP HOWARD DEAN FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT

Hate to burst your bubble but Dean is the Sacrificial Lamb of the Democratic party. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

As one of the few Republicans on this board I'll stir the shit a bit more.

I have some questions and comments:

How exactly did Bush commit genocide in Iraq?

Clinton came out and said that he knew that Iraq had WMD's. We broke up a lot of there stuff the first time we were there but we didn't get it all. Iraq is a little less than twice the size of Texas, I think I could hide a couple trailers and a building that NO ONE would find. And I'm just a good ole boy from east Tennessee.

[junkie christ]

[list][*]THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD STOP HOWARD DEAN FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT

Hate to burst your bubble but Dean is the Sacrificial Lamb of the Democratic party. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning.
As one of the few Republicans on this board I'll stir the shit a bit more.
I have some questions and comments:
How exactly did Bush commit genocide in Iraq?
Clinton came out and said that he knew that Iraq had WMD's. We broke up a lot of there stuff the first time we were there but we didn't get it all. Iraq is a little less than twice the size of Texas, I think I could hide a couple trailers and a building that NO ONE would find. And I'm just a good ole boy from east Tennessee.

not just iraq, god your misinformed. hes thrown our troops all over the damn globe and blown up two countries with the cameras rolling and you have the balls to ask where hes killed people?
is that feeding hose in your skull just feeding fox or do you get some nbc in it too?
and dean until sunday had poll ratings almost 1/3 higher than bush ratings.
dean was the only democratic candidate most people could fucking name, and noone wants (sans present) bush in office. noone. hes the worst thing to happen to this country... well since his father.
gotta love all those tax breaks to the rich.... sigh.
so thats a big snowball. i spend about an hour or two a day boning on this AT LEAST.
dean was talked about about twice as much as the president until saddama clause got shown.
now they are uberdean bashing. i wonder if it HELPS him in the end because of voters who know his name and hate bush.

[creapyrob]

not just iraq, god your misinformed. hes thrown our troops all over the damn globe and blown up two countries with the cameras rolling and you have the balls to ask where hes killed people?
is that feeding hose in your skull just feeding fox or do you get some nbc in it too?
and dean until sunday had poll ratings almost 1/3 higher than bush ratings.
dean was the only democratic candidate most people could fucking name, and noone wants (sans present) bush in office. noone. hes the worst thing to happen to this country... well since his father.
gotta love all those tax breaks to the rich.... sigh.
so thats a big snowball. i spend about an hour or two a day boning on this AT LEAST.
dean was talked about about twice as much as the president until saddama clause got shown.
now they are uberdean bashing. i wonder if it HELPS him in the end because of voters who know his name and hate bush.

I may be wrong but it wasn't his daddy that sold anti-Ballistic Missle technology to the Chinaese for campain contributions.

With the ploriferation of the media in our military now I dont really see how 'genocide (as you labelled it earllier)' could happen at least not without the world knowing. So show me proof. I want to see what GW's done. I can show you pictures of dead people from what Saddam's done.

You know why people know who Dean is? Cause Gore knows he can't win so he's not running.

Now to end my I'll say this:

THere are about 5 people who have opinions on this board I care to hear. That number has gone down as of today.

EDIT: I think I understand why some of those 5 people don't post here much anymore.

[junkie christ]

not just iraq, god your misinformed. hes thrown our troops all over the damn globe and blown up two countries with the cameras rolling and you have the balls to ask where hes killed people?
is that feeding hose in your skull just feeding fox or do you get some nbc in it too?
and dean until sunday had poll ratings almost 1/3 higher than bush ratings.
dean was the only democratic candidate most people could fucking name, and noone wants (sans present) bush in office. noone. hes the worst thing to happen to this country... well since his father.
gotta love all those tax breaks to the rich.... sigh.
so thats a big snowball. i spend about an hour or two a day boning on this AT LEAST.
dean was talked about about twice as much as the president until saddama clause got shown.
now they are uberdean bashing. i wonder if it HELPS him in the end because of voters who know his name and hate bush.

I may be wrong but it wasn't his daddy that sold anti-Ballistic Missle technology to the Chinaese for campain contributions.

With the ploriferation of the media in our military now I dont really see how 'genocide (as you labelled it earllier)' could happen at least not without the world knowing. So show me proof. I want to see what GW's done. I can show you pictures of dead people from what Saddam's done.

You know why people know who Dean is? Cause Gore knows he can't win so he's not running.

Now to end my posting (but not reading) in this forum for a while I'll say this:

THere are about 5 people who have opinions on this board I care to hear. That number has gone down as of today.

thats funny, im gaining respect for you as i read this. i thought conviction was dead. esp in this forum.
and gore won last time. bush cheated. point set match.
gore could do it this time. hes waiting. the next democratic power struggle: gore vs hillary next election without a dem president sitting...
and i didnt say that saddam wasnt a murder. he is a psycho.
he is a bad man and it is a good thing we have him and hes been stopped. i just aim to disolve the media illusions around the arrest. this isnt some fucking random incident. most people just dont want to see it. its easier to deny how fucked up things can be. its just easier to stomach.
ill drop on this as well, good debate either way. sorry if it looked like i was diggin at you. just testing the waters.

[creapyrob]

ill drop on this as well, good debate either way. sorry if it looked like i was diggin at you. just testing the waters.

No offense taken. A good lively debate is good for the spirit.

I believe I'm right, you believe you're right. It seems we've come to an impass, I'm gonna let this go at that.