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New site rewrite - Groups and Opinions Needed
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:36 pm
by Bigun
I've completely re-written my site, but I need some groups/artists before I can release it. To see what I mean, go the URL listed below and click on browse.
http://www.cybergrunge.com/test
Not very impressive without the tunes to back it up is it?. Anyway, wanted to know what you guys thought about the functionality, layout, design, etc. Also if anyone is interested, sign up, it's free.
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:45 am
by gothic_spleen
sry i havent been on in a while, ill try today
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:39 pm
by Arkady
Just curious but why are you bothering with frames if you are using CSS? Why not do the whole thing CSS and XML? It seems to me that for this kind of data intensive site it would be alot easier if you were useing some sort of databse drivem site management system. That way you can make changes globally from one document instead of writing and re-writing html all the time.
I highly recomend
html.net's CSS tutorials to get you up to speed with CSS.
Once you get through those tutorials, you should be able to do pretty much anything you want to in less time and with a better visual impact. Also, you might want to think about working on your color scheme.
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:43 pm
by iblis
arkady pretty much covered my opinion here, though as always i have a few additions / suggestions.
Arkady wrote:Just curious but why are you bothering with frames if you are using CSS? Why not do the whole thing CSS and XML?
good question. another good question: is there a point to using embedded stylesheets? which hits upon something already commented on below: site management. putting your css into a file and using a <link> tag means that when you want to make a change, or fix a bug, the change happens everywhere.
less wear and tear on the fingers, and it makes your total page weight less, since most browsers will cache the css file after the first load.
It seems to me that for this kind of data intensive site it would be alot easier if you were useing some sort of databse drivem site management system. That way you can make changes globally from one document instead of writing and re-writing html all the time.
not to mention, if the backend were database driven, adding nifty widgets such as rss feeds and the like (re: view latest additions from a live bookmark, etc) would be easy.
and since you appear to be running that on a linux server, using apache... i'd definitely suggest looking into some kind of sql-ish solution.
that's a good one, as is the CSS tutorial from
w3schools - though i'm more fond of their reference guides than anything else.
Once you get through those tutorials, you should be able to do pretty much anything you want to in less time and with a better visual impact. Also, you might want to think about working on your color scheme.
alternate style sheets are the bomb diggity. again on the css bandwagon. lol
example:
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<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://yoursite.com/css/" type="text/css" title="default" />
<link rel="alternate stylesheet" href="http://yoursite.com/css/alt.css" type="text/css" title="something different" />
<link rel="alternate stylesheet" href="http://yoursite.com/css/goatse_background.css" type="text/css" title="my eyes!" />
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:13 pm
by Bigun
Trying to learn CSS now..
If you haven't seen the site lately, it looks like chop suey.
I'll load the external CSS later, for now I *need* the stylesheet to reload with each page reload so I can see the differences.
BTW, going from making pages with tables and centers to css is a BITCH!
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:14 pm
by Bigun
Arkady wrote:Just curious but why are you bothering with frames if you are using CSS? Why not do the whole thing CSS and XML? It seems to me that for this kind of data intensive site it would be alot easier if you were useing some sort of databse drivem site management system. That way you can make changes globally from one document instead of writing and re-writing html all the time.
I highly recomend
html.net's CSS tutorials to get you up to speed with CSS.
Once you get through those tutorials, you should be able to do pretty much anything you want to in less time and with a better visual impact. Also, you might want to think about working on your color scheme.
It is database driven BTW. It's written with MySQL and PHP.
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:18 pm
by Bigun
Actually, if anyone wouldn't mind helping me understand CSS a little bit, PM me or something...
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:54 pm
by iblis
Bigun wrote:BTW, going from making pages with tables and centers to css is a BITCH!
it'll be a lot easier once you get the hang of it. trust me on this.
between css and javascript (ala dhtml) you can do pretty much anything you please with the layout. and since you're using a lamp (linux apache mysql php) combination, you have oodles of choices of how to go about things.
if you need help with any details, i'll be on IM for some time tonight.
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:35 pm
by junkie christ
the best thing to learn CSS with is to get a book or a website and code random test pages till you got it nailed
everytime i relearn it thats what i do.
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:12 pm
by iblis
another thing that might help get into the swing is greasemonkey.
after fucking around with how to fix / improve other people's sites, improving your own is a breeze. lol
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:19 pm
by Bigun
junkie christ wrote:the best thing to learn CSS with is to get a book or a website and code random test pages till you got it nailed
everytime i relearn it thats what i do.
I took your advice, the main page now mainly consists of CSS, cept' for the table data.
But I'm struggling with style here... any suggestions with colors and/or patterns to use?
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:57 pm
by Arkady
Bigun wrote:junkie christ wrote:the best thing to learn CSS with is to get a book or a website and code random test pages till you got it nailed
everytime i relearn it thats what i do.
I took your advice, the main page now mainly consists of CSS, cept' for the table data.
But I'm struggling with style here... any suggestions with colors and/or patterns to use?
i like the tabs and the header.
Try
here for some color help. If you dont like that one, do a google search on "web design color wheel" and i am sure you'll come up with something usefull.
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:45 pm
by Bigun
I think I'm finished... I want some user approval before I actually release it