okay, now i am not a tree hugging hippie type. i do eat meat, i have worn leather before, i'm not perfect. but i do try to avoid buying products from companies that test on animals. i realize that tesing can be necessary, but only to a point. taste tests, allergy tests, okay, but cruelty and torture are never necessary. and what i read in this articcle not only broke my heart, but also horrified me, especially considering that this name is so well spoken of. and i thought anyone with a companion animal of any kind deserved to know. i personally feel betrayed since i have been feeding my pets IAMS for years, only to discover this. unnecessary animal testing is one of the true evils in the world, and i hope this will help people to try and stop it. or atleast buy a new brand of dog food, i did.

http://www.iamsodead.com/iams.html

if you are easily upset, i don't advise watchinng the videos. they are terrible.

...dogs surgically debarked...

Now, you see, I don't get it. How do you surgically "debark" a dog, and why hasn't anyone done it to my neighbors'?

Caustic wrote:

...dogs surgically debarked...

Now, you see, I don't get it. How do you surgically "debark" a dog, and why hasn't anyone done it to my neighbors'?

Caustic wrote:

...dogs surgically debarked...

Now, you see, I don't get it. How do you surgically "debark" a dog, and why hasn't anyone done it to my neighbors'?

Snicker.

Caustic wrote:

...dogs surgically debarked...

Now, you see, I don't get it. How do you surgically "debark" a dog, and why hasn't anyone done it to my neighbors'?

Hahaha!

Easy. You throw it on "dewoof".

*flees*

Ok....I'll admit I did laugh at the other's comments. (Touche on the "dewolf" response.)


But,this is a horrible act done by IAMS...1. If the video's are ligit. and 2. If the investigator is telling the whole truth.
What's sadder is....what we do not see. Not from just IAMS....but,all other Dog Foof/Cat Food/Human Food companies. I am sure there is alot of stuff we do not see everyday...or should I say hear about. While writing letters and boycotting does do some good....as I have seen in the past....not enough good. (Shit still happens) Generally,the only way to stop something like this is through the courts...and that does little good as well.

While,I really do not want to say "Just ignore this it happens...and all you can do about it is be a person bigger than it." it seems to be the only solution to this problem...to me.

And yes...I have written IAMS a letter. So while I do, do my part. I feel as it is a hopeless and pointless attempt at fixing the situation.
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Thats some shit,I love my dogs,I'm not a tree hugger iether but thats gotta stop.

caustic wrote:Now, you see, I don't get it. How do you surgically "debark" a dog, and why hasn't anyone done it to my neighbors'?

its when they surgically remove their voice box/vocal chords, i believe. almost positive, but not 100%.

Codeine Coma wrote:And yes...I have written IAMS a letter. So while I do, do my part. I feel as it is a hopeless and pointless attempt at fixing the situation.

well, atleast you tried, and did something as small as it may seem. i like to hope that if enough people write and refuse IAMS products, maybe they will stop. and maybe even other companies will take notice and follow. i know that there will always be testing labs, and puppy mills, and owners that abuse their pets, but i will atleast try and do anything i can to help stop the situation. i realize that its hard to not buy products that test on animals, i've yet to find a deodorant that doesn't, but i try to avoid it where possible. and its very easy to attain a list of what companies do and do not test on animals, i think PETA even has one online.

everyone has their issues. some people preach about religion. some people preach about abortion. junkie preaches about anal. the only things i will preach about are wearing sunscreen, drinking water, and animal cruelty. there's just no excuse for any of it.

Against animal testing and probably fur, but not leather or having cows killed with bolts thru their heads or throats slit, baby pigs crushed under their mothers weights because they sleep on concrete, or baby chickens painfully debeaked and crowded.


Makes sense.

http://themeatrix.com/

Just because an animal is not cute doesn't mean it doesn't suffer.

Thanks for the head-up.

OH and any natural food store will have cruelty free deodorant.

I am an avid animal lover and have worked with exotics and domestics for many years. However, I am very skeptical about the IAMS hullabaloo. First of all, as a former member of PETA, I found most of their literature and propaganda to be extremely biased and purposely written to create a highly emotive response from its readers. PETA goes to great lengths to tug at the heartstrings, sometimes with the use of false information.

The problem with the accusations is that they have not been confirmed by a reputable source. IAMS stills has the backing of the RSPCA and the ASPCA. Read this link. It is a statement from the ASPCA regarding their unannounced investigation of IAMS. They did not find the accusations to be true, nor do they believe that IAMS is violating their research codes:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pa ... estigation

I have a hard time believing that a group such as the ASPCA would support a company that conducting such terrible experiments. Yes, I believe that they do test on animals, along with many, many other companies. I believe that putting animals to sleep is a shame, but we know that this occurs by the hundreds every day in our animal shelters. I think that animal testing has been used for a very long time to prove product safety, whether it is right or wrong, and the majority of the general public would opt for a medicine or food product to be tested on a living creature before administering it to their children. It is sad, and it exists. But I don't think we should be so quick to damn a company before a legitimate source finds the accusations to be true. I have faith in the ASPCA, but not PETA

ophelia wrote:I am an avid animal lover and have worked with exotics and domestics for many years. However, I am very skeptical about the IAMS hullabaloo. First of all, as a former member of PETA, I found most of their literature and propaganda to be extremely biased and purposely written to create a highly emotive response from its readers. PETA goes to great lengths to tug at the heartstrings, sometimes with the use of false information.

The problem with the accusations is that they have not been confirmed by a reputable source. IAMS stills has the backing of the RSPCA and the ASPCA. Read this link. It is a statement from the ASPCA regarding their unannounced investigation of IAMS. They did not find the accusations to be true, nor do they believe that IAMS is violating their research codes:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pa ... estigation

I have a hard time believe that a group such as out ASPCA would support a company that conducting such terrible experiments. Yes, I believe that they do test on animals, along with many, many other companies. I believe that putting animals to sleep is a shame, but we know that this occurs by the hundreds every day in our animal shelters. I think that animal testing has been used for a very long time to prove product safety, whether it is right or wrong, and the majority of the general public would opt for a medicine or food product to be tested on a living creature before administering it to their children. It is sad, and it exists. But I don't think we should be so quick to damn a company before a legitimate source finds the accusations to be true. I have faith in the ASPCA, but not PETA

After having grown up on a farm and seeing how PETA and other similar organizations have mis-represented the farming industry, I am rather skeptical of anything I read or hear from these organizations.
I would also note in that site over half of the info citing problems at IAMS were second hand hearsay... investigator overheard, investigator was told that...ect ect ect.
I can put no stock in this story due to that. Show me things you have first hand facts for not what you overheard.

I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

Caustic wrote:I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

Not me, but I would be interested in debarking a DJ.

Caustic wrote:I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

I'm pretty sure that Maykyr would agree n exchange 4 u doing the same 2 our neighbor'z dogz... They never shut up!

Caustic wrote:I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

This might help:

http://www.smithandwesson.com/

ophelia wrote:

Caustic wrote:I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

Not me, but I would be interested in debarking a DJ.

You might also want to consider this:

http://www.smithandwesson.com/

Or some of these:

http://www.macallenarmourers.com/torture.htm

DarkVader wrote:

ophelia wrote:

Caustic wrote:I believe you are all missing the point which is clearly, "Who wants to debark my neighbor's dogs?"

Not me, but I would be interested in debarking a DJ.

You might also want to consider this:

http://www.smithandwesson.com/

Or some of these:

http://www.macallenarmourers.com/torture.htm

Ooooo cool torture stuff!


Since I am an animal and a humanitarian (as are my pets) I'll have to add this to my list of places to shop. Humans are not worthy of the name ANIMAL after all. Didn't Agent Smith (no relation by the way) deem humans to be more of a virus than an animal?

.....and since there is no organization called PETAHK (People for the Ethical Treatment of All Human Kind.....and a Klingon swear word) There is no-one to stop us!

After working in a Vet clinic, and being a part-time member of many different organazations I can tell you one thing. Dont belive everything one of the organaztions say.
One Debarking an animal isnt something everyone does, but it is done, Mostly by people who raise alot of animals, and 30 dogs barking can drive anyone up the wall. I know, and helped out many of the operations, It takes a while for the Dog to heal, but after that, they are fine minus the ability to bark. I might not agree with it, but after talking once to a guy who has it done, I can understand his point also. He had over 15 dogs, all of them strays that he takes in. Pretty much it was debark them, or he wasnt gonna to take them in. Me I would rather not be able to talk and be alive and well treated, then dead anyday.
And alot of the Organations post , and blow alot of things out of the water for support and money donations. Not saying its not true, But before I would belive it I would want more a firm statment.

Its easyer to get upset about Fur and the treatment of animals when you dont have to deal with them on a day to day bases. No there isnt a reason for mistreatment of anything Human or not, but sometimes people just don't care. To them they are number one in the food chain, and everything else is nothing.
I have always love the phrase, People are more upset over fur then leather because its easyer to pick on little ole ladys then Biker gangs.


PS if thats true then Iams would be liable for animal Abuse and prosecuted. Yet I havent heard anything in the news about it?

Malakelle wrote:PS if thats true then Iams would be liable for animal Abuse and prosecuted. Yet I havent heard anything in the news about it?

You are right. And I haven't found any legal claims against them yet.

Malakelle wrote:I have always love the phrase, People are more upset over fur then leather because its easyer to pick on little ole ladys then Biker gangs.

As I said to the last person who gave me crap about wearing leather... I am a hardcore carnivore, so I am recycling the container.