Wireless ethics

[BlackCat]

How far can the signal of these things be picked up? We have one but are in the middle of 6 acres of property. But we use it for two different buildings on our property.

Depends, It is great if you have someone on the other side of your house but if your looking for wireless to jump more than that expect to pay big bucks.

[Bone]

How far can the signal of these things be picked up? We have one but are in the middle of 6 acres of property. But we use it for two different buildings on our property.

The airport card in your ibook, should have something like a 150ft indoor range to a standard base station (according to an old consumer test artical from I believe mac world, I will try to dig up the magazine for more percise info if you like)
Part of it will depend on the base stations power output too.

I believe there are booster antennas or transmitters available as well if you need extra range. But I don't know enough about wireless yet to say that for sure.

[Melicious Scam]

I would use it, hands down. And if it was my connection that I paid for, I wouldn't care who used it either.

That's a problem, and probably the way alot of people think. Think about it like this, if you have a car, would you let just anyone walk up to you and say 'hey, can I borrow your car' and let them? If you owned a gun, would you let some random person off the stree borrow it? If you let someone use a connection that you are paying for, you are responsible for what they do. If they do something illegal (and trust me, the internet is one place where we're loosing rights at a shockingly quick pace) YOU are responsible. If some random person pulls up outside your house, sets up a server that gives people access to illegal kiddy porn and someone reports it.. they trace where it's coming from, find out you are the one paying for the connection, and send YOU to jail. Not only that but computer crime is in several cases punished quite more severly than real world crime.

here's 1 example:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid= ... 55&tid=133

I understand where you are coming from. That is why things are free at first, and then someone fucks up and does something that is against the policy ... then before we know it, people start charging for the once free services. That is how it always works.

[jjenisis]

Thanks Bone no need to dig thru the magazines, I was just wondering if we needed to encrypt or something ours but we are further away from neighbors than that. I didnt find anything on the box as far as distance goes. I havent been anywhere to try it out in the world yet.

I did find a list of places:

(hahaha steak escape is a take out only resturant)

Knoxville
Atlanta Bread Company - Turkey Creek shopping center
Buddy BBQ/BP Gas - I-74 and Emory Road
Cherokee Aviation - Knoxville McGee-Tyson Airport
ComputersEtc. - 8905 Kingston Pike Suite 14
CompUSA -9341 Kingston Pike
Golden Roast - 825 Melrose Place - (865) 544-1004
KnoxAir at TYS - McGee-Tyson Airport and DKX - Island Home Airport
Krystal Restaurant - 2815 Broadway, NE - 865-524-1837
Krystal Restaurant - 1718 Cumberland Ave.
Lawson McGhee Library - 500 West Church Avenue - 865-215-8750
Mellow Mushroom Knoxville - 2109 Cumberland Avenue - 865-524-7979
Panera Bread - 4855 Kingston Pike
Panera Bread - 2000 Cumberland Ave
Panera Bread - 205 N Peters Road
Steak Escape - 8520 Kingston Pike - 865.690.4556
Hilton - 501 W. Church Ave. - 865-251-2566
Residence Inn (Cedar Bluff) - 215 Langley Place

Lenoir City
Buddy's BBQ - 1104 Hwy 321 - 986-5110

Farragut
Mellow Mushroom Farragut - 635 North Campbell Station Road - 865-777-6768
The Atlanta Bread Company - 10978 Parkside Drive
Bear Rock Cafe - 11137 Parkside Dr. - 865-966-6508

Nashville
AmSouth Center - atrium and outside plaza - 315 Deaderick Street
Atlanta Bread Co. - 1720 W End Ave - 615-329-9100
Bean Central- West End Ave. (Park Place)
BongoJava- Belmont Blvd.
BongoJava- Five Points (East Nashville)
Café Coco- Elliston Place
Caffeine Cafe - 1516 Demonbreun - 615-259-4993
Fido- Hillsboro Village
J-J's- Broadway / Midtown
Krystal - Hillsboro Pike
MacAuthority- Wedgewood @ I-65
Nashville City Club - 201 4th Ave N - 615-244-3693
Panera Bread - 406 21st Avenue
Petite Provence - 315 Deaderick St. - 615-259-7927
Portland Brew- 12th Ave. S.
Provence Breads and Cafe - 601 Church St. - 664-1150
Rocketown - 401 Sixth Avenue
Starbucks - 402 21st Avenue
Sunset Grill - 2001 Belcourt Ave. - 615/386-3663
The Global Cafe - 322 Broadway - 615-726-2011
Two Rivers Campground - Music Valley Drive
Hilton Garden Inn - in room access for guests - 412 Royal Parkway - 615-884-0088
Holiday Inn - 201 Crossing Place - 615-731-2361
Hampton Inn - 210 Crossing Place - 615-371-9911
Hampton Inn - 2324 Crestmoor Road
Hampton Inn Bellevue - 7815 Coley Davis Rd. - 615-662-3133
Holiday Inn Express - 714 Spence Lane - 615-366-6691
Hampton Inn & Suites Airport - 583 Donelson Pike - 615-885-4242
Alexis Inn & Suites - 600 Ermac Dr. - 615-889-4466
Days Inn - N Front St
Baymont Inn - coverage extends to parking lot, follow registration instructions - 5612 Lenox Avenue

Newport
Tanner Community Center - 115 Mulberry Street - 423-623-3700
Cocke County Chamber of Commerce - 433 Cosby Highway - 423-623-7201

Oak Ridge
Panera Bread - 371 S Illinois Ave
http://www.wififreespot.com/tenn.html

[BlackCat]

Thanks Bone no need to dig thru the magazines, I was just wondering if we needed to encrypt or something ours but we are further away from neighbors than that. I didnt find anything on the box as far as distance goes. I havent been anywhere to try it out in the world yet.

I did find a list of places:

(hahaha steak escape is a take out only resturant)

Knoxville
Atlanta Bread Company - Turkey Creek shopping center
Buddy BBQ/BP Gas - I-74 and Emory Road
Cherokee Aviation - Knoxville McGee-Tyson Airport
ComputersEtc. - 8905 Kingston Pike Suite 14
CompUSA -9341 Kingston Pike
Golden Roast - 825 Melrose Place - (865) 544-1004
KnoxAir at TYS - McGee-Tyson Airport and DKX - Island Home Airport
Krystal Restaurant - 2815 Broadway, NE - 865-524-1837
Krystal Restaurant - 1718 Cumberland Ave.
Lawson McGhee Library - 500 West Church Avenue - 865-215-8750
Mellow Mushroom Knoxville - 2109 Cumberland Avenue - 865-524-7979
Panera Bread - 4855 Kingston Pike
Panera Bread - 2000 Cumberland Ave
Panera Bread - 205 N Peters Road
Steak Escape - 8520 Kingston Pike - 865.690.4556
Hilton - 501 W. Church Ave. - 865-251-2566
Residence Inn (Cedar Bluff) - 215 Langley Place

Lenoir City
Buddy's BBQ - 1104 Hwy 321 - 986-5110

Farragut
Mellow Mushroom Farragut - 635 North Campbell Station Road - 865-777-6768
The Atlanta Bread Company - 10978 Parkside Drive
Bear Rock Cafe - 11137 Parkside Dr. - 865-966-6508

Nashville
AmSouth Center - atrium and outside plaza - 315 Deaderick Street
Atlanta Bread Co. - 1720 W End Ave - 615-329-9100
Bean Central- West End Ave. (Park Place)
BongoJava- Belmont Blvd.
BongoJava- Five Points (East Nashville)
Café Coco- Elliston Place
Caffeine Cafe - 1516 Demonbreun - 615-259-4993
Fido- Hillsboro Village
J-J's- Broadway / Midtown
Krystal - Hillsboro Pike
MacAuthority- Wedgewood @ I-65
Nashville City Club - 201 4th Ave N - 615-244-3693
Panera Bread - 406 21st Avenue
Petite Provence - 315 Deaderick St. - 615-259-7927
Portland Brew- 12th Ave. S.
Provence Breads and Cafe - 601 Church St. - 664-1150
Rocketown - 401 Sixth Avenue
Starbucks - 402 21st Avenue
Sunset Grill - 2001 Belcourt Ave. - 615/386-3663
The Global Cafe - 322 Broadway - 615-726-2011
Two Rivers Campground - Music Valley Drive
Hilton Garden Inn - in room access for guests - 412 Royal Parkway - 615-884-0088
Holiday Inn - 201 Crossing Place - 615-731-2361
Hampton Inn - 210 Crossing Place - 615-371-9911
Hampton Inn - 2324 Crestmoor Road
Hampton Inn Bellevue - 7815 Coley Davis Rd. - 615-662-3133
Holiday Inn Express - 714 Spence Lane - 615-366-6691
Hampton Inn & Suites Airport - 583 Donelson Pike - 615-885-4242
Alexis Inn & Suites - 600 Ermac Dr. - 615-889-4466
Days Inn - N Front St
Baymont Inn - coverage extends to parking lot, follow registration instructions - 5612 Lenox Avenue

Newport
Tanner Community Center - 115 Mulberry Street - 423-623-3700
Cocke County Chamber of Commerce - 433 Cosby Highway - 423-623-7201

Oak Ridge
Panera Bread - 371 S Illinois Ave
http://www.wififreespot.com/tenn.html

I helped at one time setup the network that Cafe Coco has. Use to use it all the time to make VOIP calls.

Not all of those are free networks. Starshmucks charges fees for using the wireless. Unless that has changed .

[iblis]

Personally, if someone doesn't know enough to secure their network, they deserve to be tapped. I have the same philosophy with open wireless hotspots as I do with open gateways - be they wingate or *NIX. Having a completely open WAP is like leaving the keys in your car and putting a great big neon sign up saying, "Free rides! Take 'er for a spin!"

As for giving out free access, one can do so without giving people free reign over your bandwidth. I don't know about OSX or Windows, but Linux has a nifty kernel module called a traffic shaper, that allows for limiting bandwidth access through it's system. With an outdated 386 - 586, and a little bit of tinkering, you can setup a somewhat open network without being taken advantage of.

'Course, I would also do some serious outbound and inbound port blocking through the gateway. It's one thing to let whomever surf the web or check their e-mail, it's another entirely to let them try to take over a military network from your IP / IP block.

And then of course there's the legallity of it. There were quite a few attempts by cable companies and other ISP's not to long ago to get laws passed making wireless network sharing, not to mention wired sharing, illegal. If you have a DSL or Cable connection, there's a real good chance that it's illegal to share your bandwidth (much likeit's illegal to run a cable over to your neightbors house to share cable TV) even if you're doing it without knowing about it.

As much as I'm for more "old school" ISP's (they tend to work with you more on all things geek), Comcast cable at least accepts that you'll share your bandwidth across your LAN - they even how a HOWTO put up on their website. I can't recall if you have to be logged in or not to access it, though.

'Course, that might just be because it's not illegal yet, and so they want to make their customers happy.

[elasticwings]

I was so disappointed yesterday when I installed my wireless adapter into my compy and didn't find any other networks in my area. Oh well, I guess I will just need to get around to finally saving up and getting a lappy so I can drive around town and pillage/plunder open wireless networks.

[Bone]

.....It's one thing to let whomever surf the web or check their e-mail, it's another entirely to let them try to take over a military network from your IP / IP block.

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