Wichita Middle School Cracks Down On Goths

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Mercurygriffin wrote:Let me state that i personally believe that you can express yourself without wearing the goth uniform. It comes out in the way you write, speak, draw, sing, act, and exprees your emotions.Also, I think that the schools need to do a little resurch on the subject of goth. Most of them take the occult route but if you just go on line and look for it or go to a goth dance night you will see that they are just like everyone else only they are into some obscure and just plain wierd ideas and music, much like the hippys that the teachers used to be before they sold out to the man. Peace my ass. :twisted:


Oh, I agree. I wasn't saying that was the only way they could express themselves, just trying to make a point to this lame brain principal. :)

Let me also state that I did not single out anyones post or quote anyone. I love ya but I was just stating an opinion, not trying to contradict anyone.
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Judas is right.....most of these dickheads are fucknuts, who deserve to be made fun of. If they were here in our circle, and i still came out, i would make fun of them, much like i do certin people in the scene who take themselves waaaaay too seriously.

Also, i think its funny, cus, ya know, i was all supa gawff in highschool, never drank or did drugs....i was lonely, depressed if you will....then i got over all that shit. Then i started wrestling every fucking day, thats when i got on heavy drug use.

The smiths, the cure, or even the sisters of mercy didn't make me do coke....having to be up for like 3 days straight did.
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X wrote:Judas is right.....most of these dickheads are fucknuts, who deserve to be made fun of. If they were here in our circle, and i still came out, i would make fun of them, much like i do certin people in the scene who take themselves waaaaay too seriously.



I love you and Judas both but I have to respectfully disagree. The only place it said that any of these children caused problems was when it said the one was "hissing" at another child. First off, unless the teacher caught them, who is to say that the other kid didn't make this up to get someone they didn't like in trouble? Second, I have to stand by my statement that singling them out is not going to help anything except to further any stereotype. We don't know these children so we don't know who is doing what to whom and for what reason, I just think they should all be treated equally.
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yeah, when i was still in school I got called to the office several times because of my dressing.... they said I looked suspicious....right....me?
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I was actually almost suspended from school after the columbine thing hit. Basically i was, until i said, wait till i sue you for being retarded....a month before i graduate, after recieving the most popular male in this class award, i am being exiled from school because some fuckass shot someone halfway across the fucking usa.

basically what i'm saying...is there is dressing up, there is dressing period- AND there is overkill. People who wear black lipstick everywhere are jackasses. I remember when i used to wear white face, i looked like a fucking idiot, and that was AT a goth night. FIngernails are ok, dress and atire are allright as well, but most of these kids don't know what the fuck they're doing. The ones that do usually don't get picked on. Like Judas said before, I for example was called "king of the goths" at my school, i was still most popular, and i still am for that matter.

My case and point, out of every group there is one jackass. For my collection it was a girl named Katie. Katie now knows what a shithead she was, and how bad of decisions she made. She used to sit in lunch and barely jab her wrists, so she could drink the blood. She would make scenes and just in general be stupid. I was made fun of my freshman year, because i was a fuckhead, then i got a little bit cooler, and everyone liked me. (or thought i rocked it out cus i was wrestling nearly every weekend, and had pictures of like me and the rock or me and HHH)

Regardless there are dumbass fucktards in every group, i don't know these kids, nor do i really care. Most of the kids that are being noisy because their school won't let them wear what they want to, are the same kids most of you make fun of at the mall. Kindergoths if you will . We make fun of them, because we were them at some point.....i mean yeah it could be a manson shirt or slipknot or whatever, trade that in for a cure shirt....or again whatever...times change styles don't. I preached against dress codes in school, and i really realise i shoulda been concentrating on my fucking studies and not what i was gonna wear.

If school was a fashion show, i would shed a tear and feel bad for these kids. Unfortunatly its not. Can't wear some bigass bondage pants, and a slipknot shirt? FINE, have fun with it if you must. I did. I Combined looking good, with my gawth standings, and made a new statement.

Problem with kids today, or goths in general is the standard line for Why? is "because i want to show my individuality" yet they always look the same....or like someone else. If you are really showing me how individualistic you are, then please, give me your best shot. Otherwise, have your 6 month goth phase, then go to the next one, and quite making a big stink.



*this wasn't made to offend anyone, stir shit or whathaveyou, its simply the opinion of myself, and basically opinionated fact. Its not book defined proovable, but it basically is my observations. Being a 'FREAK" is ok, as long as you don't look just like someone else. Thats not individualism, thats trendy*
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Did anyone else find that part of it funny?
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Policing a color is stupid.

If that's all this school has to spend it's administrative manpower fretting about, it sounds like they've got a great thing going on up there & should be proud of it rather than repress it. Hell, they might one day find themselves with real problems coming from their students like fights or poor academic performance.

X, I know you don't have much love for the kindergoths, but as the Mom of 2, I respectfully remind you that they are people too.

We try out many fads, styles, & moods when we are young. There's nothing wrong with that, it's how we learn who & what we are & want to be. I say let 'em be so long as their behavior doesn't cross the line. Otherwise you're just the fashion police. :roll:
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Eh, its not that i don't like kindergoths, hell i had a young apprentice type hang out around here and at my parties for, months or so, until he got busted for having like some obscene amount of pot on him at school, and haven't even talked to him since. What i hate is retards.

Simply put RETARDS.

Its not JUST kindergoths...its all plains of people. There are people in the scene that take everything so godamn seriously that i wish would just go away....quite honestly its those people who forced me away from everything (or maybe i just put my priorities in the right places and use them as an excuse) I mean really...there are people you just can't stand to be around.

Kids hissing, the girl who got a drop of blood out of her wrists everyday and wanted to 'freak' people out, up to the people who wear fucking black on black on black winter clothes out to a goth night in the middle of july cus it makes them "cool" all the way to jackasses who cut me off in traffic, or don't know how to use signals.

Stupid people make me mad....not kindergoths. I mean, i laugh at them, but i also realise that, they're stupid teenagers...then i watch home videos of myself at 15..16....17.....23 and realise i'm was/am a retard too.
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My two cents are as follows:

The kids involved are still very young. And as many have already said, they are searching for their identities and roles in life. Whether that turns out to be goth or whatever, they need to have the freedom to find it. I can say from experience, being a preacher's kid, that having a repressed childhood, in any form, can be very damaging. If the kids are acting out, then it's the behavior that needs to be dealt with, not the clothing. I can understand, making changes, if they are taking it to extremes. The children are still in elementary school. However if I'm not mistaken, even elementary school students have basic rights to freedom of expression. And if the teachers weren't making such a huge deal out of their apparrel, eventually people would get used to it, and it wouldn't be such a big deal. I think the big problem isn't the students. It's the faculty and the principal, trying to keep under control, something they don't understand, because it's something they never experienced. The goth culture is a fairly new thing, in the scheme of things. And in the past, it has been looked down upon, because of the behavior that has been associated with it.

The biggest problem I see, is that when you repress a child, or an adult for that matter, the issues tend to build. And they can come out in forms of aggression or violence. If they're not careful, they're going to have the very problem they're worried about, with the intimidation and ganging up. Clothes don't make gangs. People clinging together for support, anywhere they can find it, make gangs.

Ok, now I'm gettin off my soap box.
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Hey X, your forgeting that not everyone is a poser. i wore all black for a while, hell i still do occossonally now. In fact, most of my clean clothes at the end of the week are black so I usually have no choice, but I digress. For every poser that wants to freak someone out there is a seriously fucked up person that just falls into the crowd. My first comes to mind. some of you may know her as the chick who was into self-mutilation and tried to cut her tits off mid coitus. She wore all black and deffinately wasn't faking it. Then you have me. I just like the color and well. I didn't even know that the goth thing was until I was a junior, when the columbine thing happened. (seem familiar). I just knew that I liked metal and that for some reason dog collors were appealing. I am a poster child for the shit that is happening to kids all over america over this genre that has more self loathing than it needs to. maybe if the " goths" would actual come together as a group and have a constructive conversation about how to fix steriotypes and make the goth thing a little less threatning then maybe this shit won't happen. But as we all know the odds of that are one and a million because most of us wear what we wear to fuck with people. I want everyone to look at them selves right now. What are you wearing, how many times today have you said the word normals or mundanes? Have you in the last week perposely fucked with someones head because you knew it would be easy? And I don't really have a point so if you found one let me know. :twisted:
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Hmmm...I'm gonna agree with X on this one. It's middle school. So these kids are what, 12, 13 years old? This makes me think it's pure trend. Look at the description. All black clothing, piercings, dyed black hair, black eye makeup, black lipstick. I can't concieve of anyone seriously wearing all of that at the same time. Especially at age 12. Also, the guy said that they have had compliance, no problems, since the ban. So all these kids have adopted this style recently enough to still have "normal" fitting clothing, at an age where they are growing like crazy.

I don't like people being denied their freedom, and I don't find it fair that "goths" are being singled out, but still. This seems kinda petty for concern.

amazongoddess wrote:The biggest problem I see, is that when you repress a child, or an adult for that matter, the issues tend to build. And they can come out in forms of aggression or violence. If they're not careful, they're going to have the very problem they're worried about, with the intimidation and ganging up. Clothes don't make gangs. People clinging together for support, anywhere they can find it, make gangs.


I can see this as a small concern. If it were high school, where things tend to be a bit more serious and violent, I would consider it an issue. But there's not much real violence in middle school. They're only there for 3 years. They can get over it.

Mother Mo, I wouldn't consider your children "kindergoths" since they have been by a goth parent(s?). I don't know your son, but Snap Dragon seems very intelligent. And it would be the "two or three students last year" that I feel sorry for. A few kids with their parent's credit card at Hot Topic fuck it up for the ones with the genuine self-expression.

Dunno...things like this just suck in general. I don't see an end or a solution, I just felt the need to bitch. Sorry.
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My definition of kindergoths is the younger generation of dark youth. In my day they might have been called hoods, metal heads, freaks or whatever.

My 2 wear a large amount of black clothing, listen to some of the stereotypically dark music (Zombie, Manson, etc.), are both very artistic (another sign of gothiness usually), & like horror genre titles of films, books, & other art. That makes them "kindergoths."

Now this isn't a bad title in my opinion & I don't use it that way, just as adolescent, youth, young un, or kid aren't bad titles to bestow on my babies. They both are proud to be of the dark & spooky variety of humans, though like all of us at that age, hate to be belittled or not taken seriously.

I'd say the young folks in that middle school have as much right to express themselves & their own style choices as they see fit, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Just because they are younger than you or I doesn't make their right to self expression any less valid, or expose it to any harsher rules in school then we grown ups face in the work place. My employers never policed the color of my clothes, though rules about jewelry, make up, & accessories were common place.

I just think it's very easy for older folks to be dismissive of the younger ones, even when it turns the elders into hypocrits. I invite those of such inclinations to think it out again, putting yourself in their shoes. Just keep it fair. That's all anyone can ask.
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Merc, you missed my point- I agree with you tho. There are seriously fucked up people out there...but they don't just sit around and do the shit for attention....

You don't have to be a poseur, to do things for attention tho, hell, everything i do is for attention. Thats the curse of being an only child.

Regardless, you can't look at someone and say poseur. I agree with that much. But you can make an opinion on 10, 15 words...even a simple paragraph coming out of their mouth.

The fact can be said these kids need the freedom (as anyone does) to be an individual, but...are you being an individual when you look like everyone else? I can toooootally agree with all this shit, cus i battled the dress codes that passed at my school. I was almost kicked out of school a month before i graduated because i matched the discription of two nimrods who shot everyone they didn't like. Bottom line, when they told me i couldn't wear this or that, i didn't...and i still expressed myself with something else. It went from like jeans and band shirts.....and you had to wear dress pants, so i went to suits (which i still do alot to this day) I just gothed out with some other form of clothing (and you can do this for a MINIMAL amount of money at ANY goodwill) The spikes, makeup and all that shit aren't necessary, and its a good thing that these schools are teaching these kids that they can't wear this shit, if they want to or not...cus when you get to the real world, your ass ain't lookin like Robert Smith working at, a job..wheather it be, Mcdonalds, Cingular, a call center, or a club. Eh, i take that back, you CAN get away with it at hot topic....but theres only SO many positions open there.

Bottom line once more, being a freak is ok, hell, wearing black is ok.....all age goths are ok (take example Vachy...she seems to have a level head....even one further, How long had michelle been coming out and being a respectable person in the scene back in the day when she was 16, 17..whatever) Certin cases do exsist...allthough most of these kids are asswipes.

And to final up, If you can't be an individual at any possible setting, then you aren't REALLY being an individual at all...you are following the trend. We have people all over the place that still do their 'thing' at a normal job, and still pull off the gawth shit everyday.

Its all about accessorising people....(of course two that takes years to learn how to do right...so maybe thats the excuse all the way around)
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Vachy wrote:Hmmm...I'm gonna agree with X on this one. It's middle school. So these kids are what, 12, 13 years old? This makes me think it's pure trend. Look at the description. All black clothing, piercings, dyed black hair, black eye makeup, black lipstick. I can't concieve of anyone seriously wearing all of that at the same time. Especially at age 12. Also, the guy said that they have had compliance, no problems, since the ban. So all these kids have adopted this style recently enough to still have "normal" fitting clothing, at an age where they are growing like crazy.

I don't like people being denied their freedom, and I don't find it fair that "goths" are being singled out, but still. This seems kinda petty for concern.

amazongoddess wrote:The biggest problem I see, is that when you repress a child, or an adult for that matter, the issues tend to build. And they can come out in forms of aggression or violence. If they're not careful, they're going to have the very problem they're worried about, with the intimidation and ganging up. Clothes don't make gangs. People clinging together for support, anywhere they can find it, make gangs.


I can see this as a small concern. If it were high school, where things tend to be a bit more serious and violent, I would consider it an issue. But there's not much real violence in middle school. They're only there for 3 years. They can get over it.

Mother Mo, I wouldn't consider your children "kindergoths" since they have been by a goth parent(s?). I don't know your son, but Snap Dragon seems very intelligent. And it would be the "two or three students last year" that I feel sorry for. A few kids with their parent's credit card at Hot Topic fuck it up for the ones with the genuine self-expression.

Dunno...things like this just suck in general. I don't see an end or a solution, I just felt the need to bitch. Sorry.


I had a lot more issues with people being generally rude and hateful when I was in middle school than I ever did in high school. High school was much bigger and people were generally too into their own cliques to worry much about anyone else's clique.

Yes, middle school may only be three years but when you're being given hell, it can be a very long three years. For that matter, high school is only four years....I don't think this is an issue where length of time in said establishment has much bearing. I mean, if you are going to run into a store bare foot and back out in less than 5 minutes, I can understand time being brought up but this is three years...not such a very short time, really.

Also, if you read the article that CD posted a link to, at least two of the girls who were wearing all black said they would basically have to buy new wardrobes because most everything they wore was black. Even if they have to wash and rewear every day the same one thing they might have that isn't dark and spooky, most kids that age would do it if it means they are going to get in trouble if they don't do it. Plus at that age, parents can still supervise what kids wear and might not let the kids leave if they know it's something that's going to cause them to get called later in the day to come get their child.

I can't say why I so firmly believe this is wrong but I do. I can't say why I've latched onto this the way I have, but I did and I don't tend to give up on things I believe in.

I dress my baby sister in pink wide leg jeans when I can because I think it's cute or baby raver clothes cause it's cute but she's 5 years old and she doesn't know anything except that Sissy is dressing her in what Sissy likes....and she's generally ok with that. By the time middle school rolls around, kids are able to dress themselves in what they like and not all of them are trend whores (though I think *everyone* is guilty of following a trend or two in their lifetime...just because you might like something though doesn't mean you're just doing it because it's the "popular" or "trendy" thing to do) Example: I wear pink all the damn time but it's not because it's recently become a trendy color....it's because it's been one of my favorite colors for years now. It's just much easier to find things that I like in that color now. Maybe the reason there are more kids doing it doesn't just have to do with the fact it's trendy but probably does have something to do with the fact that they can find things now that they can afford and like now. Yes, I've gone off on a tangent. I had a long work day and my brain is dead so I am stopping for now. Hope this made sense to at least one person.
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It sounds like these kids just learned another fact about life.

I have to agree with Judas about hiding behind clothes. I've caught it from both sides. Before people at work got to know me, I was labeled as a goth, and I even got to hear some of rumors of me being a witch, satanist or a cat-killer at parties. Based on work ethic, those rumors have quelled and people started asking the educational questions of why and what. Some of the parents have even approached me because their children are showing signs of heading in that direction. On the flip side, there have been some in the goth scene who have labeled me as a poser because I sacrifice my self expression by not wearing all black to work during the day. I laugh, and at the same time pity, any person that thinks it takes clothes to definie a person and applies stereotypes in that manner.

My only comment for the principal at the school would be one of my favorite quotes from Joe Ancis:
"The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well."
Believing that children that don't wear black aren't capable of the same things that are causing the paranoia makes for a pretty disillusioned person.

That being said, I have no doubt that there is more to this story than I have seen, so I reserve any further comment until I hear more about it.

Along the same lines, but more on a tangent, I read a really cool article in the latest Asleep By Dawn about Pauley Perrette. For those that don't know who she is, she plays the character Abby, a forensic specialist on NCIS. She's been known for wearing collars with her lab coat and plugging non-mainstream goth bands on routine occasion. I have clipped a few quotes from the article that she wrote about her character:
I've had many people write to me with comments. There have been several expressions of thanks from goth/alternative folks, who appreciate a character similar to themselves being positively portrayed on television. On the other hand, some of them have said tha Abby is "too happy" or "too funny" to be a goth. There have also been inquireies about whether a forensic specialist could really get a job looking like Abby does. Some people have even writte to ask, "Is she satanic?" (Why? Because she wears black?)
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I think labels are applied to us by people inside the box that don't understand and need to simplify. They open up their little book of labels that they got at the parenting bookstore: "Hmmm...black hair, black boots, black coat...Must be a GOTH! Uh-oh, that also could apply to any number of punk and rock 'n' roll people to, and oh my, they must be on drugs!"
I said one thing to my bosses about Abby, and that was, "Let other people define her. Abby probably wouldn't call herself anything but Abby." I've been asked the same thing about myself. Who cares? What she represents is a smart, capable chick that cannot be reduced to a sterotype.
I've never known anyone who seeks to be labeled or defined as something. Those labels usually come from the outside in. People are just doing their thing, dressing how they want, listening to what they want. It may be fritghtening and not be as simple for the masses if they lose the ability to point each and every one of us out and find the definition and brand in a handbook, but that practice is frightening in itself.
The best part is that now there are millions of people who have been introduced to this character in their living rooms every week and perhaps, just perhaps, next time they see someone similar in their real life, they might think of them as "smart, funny, cool" instead of the negative sterotypes that have been pushed so hard by the media."


The entire article may be available on the Asleep By Dawn website. I'm not sure though.
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Once again, I agree with X.

X wrote:Regardless, you can't look at someone and say poseur. I agree with that much. But you can make an opinion on 10, 15 words...even a simple paragraph coming out of their mouth.


Sometimes you can tell without words at all. Say, if you're being hissed at...

X wrote:I just gothed out with some other form of clothing (and you can do this for a MINIMAL amount of money at ANY goodwill) The spikes, makeup and all that shit aren't necessary, and its a good thing that these schools are teaching these kids that they can't wear this shit, if they want to or not...cus when you get to the real world, your ass ain't lookin like Robert Smith working at, a job..wheather it be, Mcdonalds, Cingular, a call center, or a club.


I have recieved very little harassment, at school or otherwise. I'm not even considered "goth" at my school because I don't wear solid black, draw all over my face with eyeliner, or wear Cradle of Filth or Slipknot t-shirts. While some of my reasoning is not being a poseur, for the most part it's practicality. I have a job. I attend school. I want to be taken seriously. If you are truely expressing yourself instead of following a trend, you should be able to do so within a dress code. I hardly wear any makeup, and when I do, I do not look like the crow. I almost never wear solid black, but almost always have at least one piece of black clothing on. I own very few articles of clothing that would be considered "goth", but prefer normal clothing in black. And I have never had a problem with anyone about my style of dress being inappropriate.

These children are going to have to learn that, true expression or not, some things just don't fly in the real world. And better for them to learn early.

As I said, I don't like it, but sometimes you have to get over it and deal.
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muwahaha, someone shares my opinions.


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X wrote:muwahaha, someone shares my opinions.


Soon i will have an army.


OMG, what is this world coming to? ;)
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In trying to defend what I was saying, I managed to stray from the true meaning of why this pissed me off in the first place....the fact is, it's a double standard (which piss me off anyway). Children should not be subjected to double standards, especially in a school district where they have elders who are singling them out to watch out for drugs (again, see the article that Celestial Dung posted the link to). I stand by my statement that if she believes in this pack mentality she speaks of, she shouldn't just single out the so-called Goths in that school but also the football players and cheerleaders and whoever else does things where there is more than just two or three of them. She's the adult and she needs to act like one instead of bringing in stereotypes.
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it doesn't seem to matter what i wear... people always start those witch /devil worshiper stories about me when i wear "normal" clothing... but, wizard's first rule "people are stupid"

and Jen, you look fabulous regardless of what you're wearing ;)
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