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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:02 pm
by Magilla
karmakaze wrote:i am about as non-patriotic as you can safely get, and i have been in the whole anti-whatever argument that you seem to dance illogically around. with several of the people currently posting in this thread, but they can even back up that i had valid points and though out reasoning behind my beliefs. but even i have to say the basis of your arguments are not really based in any sort of contemplated reason and your thought process is that of a 6 year old.
who me? or Joe?
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:15 pm
by scarecrow
Magilla wrote:karmakaze wrote:i am about as non-patriotic as you can safely get, and i have been in the whole anti-whatever argument that you seem to dance illogically around. with several of the people currently posting in this thread, but they can even back up that i had valid points and though out reasoning behind my beliefs. but even i have to say the basis of your arguments are not really based in any sort of contemplated reason and your thought process is that of a 6 year old.
who me? or Joe?
I believe he is referring to the 15-19 year old Joe Lucas.
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:21 pm
by junkie christ
according to his
xanga i think he was 17...
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:22 pm
by Bone
Okay I get called away from my so called life to moderate....
so all please pardon me for any testy moments I may be about ot have...
First off applauses to JC and Mz Kitty... my pimpin hat is off to both of you.
Next to Logic I can understand what you are saying and in a sence feeling. However you apparently have not had the years to learn wisdom to match your intelligance. Lifes prospective changes as your years grow. When Regan & WB the 1st were in office I felt much as you appear to now. I had no patience for anyone who was in the military, didn't trust the govermant, and was VERY opinionated about all things political. However, at that age, I knew no-one in the military. A soldier was a faceless sheep (and yes I too used that term from Floyds "Animals" and later Dogs of War) As I grew older, people I knew, Friends of mine,, joined the military, some to get $ for education, some just to have a job to support their families when times got tough. Some because they felt it was the "right" thing to do, to give back in their way to the country which has given so much for them. These becames names and faces I KNEW. Suddenly those ideals changed. Now I have come to respect those who are willing to risk their lives to protect "America"... In the end it's a job for 99% of our military. Those there to actual go to exotic lands meet exotic people and then KILL them get recruited to the CIA. Get to know some of those people in the military, I think you'll change your mind on your opinions of them. Hell try even a e-mail pen pal. There are a lot of our men & women overseas, who don't want to be there. Who don't have someone to listen to what they are feeling. Get to know one of those soldiers overseas and your tune will change... Give it a try...
Look at it this way, in MANY countries military service is REQUIRED of male citizens. At least here you have the choice to join or not (short of a draft, and there is even such a thing as conciencious objector,which gets you non combat duty in the case of being drafted)
Logic I really am trying to be nice, cause again I understand where your coming from....I just no longer agree.
I leave it all sumed in one statement and lets leave it with this:
I LOVE America, But FEAR My Goverment
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:26 am
by karmakaze
Magilla wrote:karmakaze wrote:i am about as non-patriotic as you can safely get, and i have been in the whole anti-whatever argument that you seem to dance illogically around. with several of the people currently posting in this thread, but they can even back up that i had valid points and though out reasoning behind my beliefs. but even i have to say the basis of your arguments are not really based in any sort of contemplated reason and your thought process is that of a 6 year old.
who me? or Joe?
joe
sorry, should of made that more clear
and just for the record, i support blowing the fuck out of afganastan, and don't have a moral obligation to killing people (if the deserve it of course) i have issues with george bush
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:26 am
by kissmeblack
Sir Diddimus wrote:No, wait....
Come to Sanctus!!!! I have some friends you'd like to meet. I'll even save this thread for Jay, so he can read it when he gets home.
I wouldn't expect to see him at Sanctus. People who spout off their opinions incessantly against the will of others to hear, let alone make personal attacks based on their apriori instead of reality, are very rarely present when mature confrontation is made available.
He probably doesn't help his mommy with the laundry either.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:48 am
by scarecrow
charming arse wrote:Sir Diddimus wrote:No, wait....
Come to Sanctus!!!! I have some friends you'd like to meet. I'll even save this thread for Jay, so he can read it when he gets home.
I wouldn't expect to see him at Sanctus. People who spout off their opinions incessantly against the will of others to hear, let alone make personal attacks based on their apriori instead of reality, are very rarely present when mature confrontation is made available.
He probably doesn't help his mommy with the laundry either.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:19 am
by Sir Diddimus
charming arse wrote:Sir Diddimus wrote:No, wait....
Come to Sanctus!!!! I have some friends you'd like to meet. I'll even save this thread for Jay, so he can read it when he gets home.
I wouldn't expect to see him at Sanctus. People who spout off their opinions incessantly against the will of others to hear, let alone make personal attacks based on their apriori instead of reality, are very rarely present when mature confrontation is made available.
He probably doesn't help his mommy with the laundry either.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:20 am
by Onibubba
Jebus! I'm away from the board for 1 day and a thread goes apeshit! Without dittoing what has already been said, the only question I still have is this:
Isn't there a newjerseygothic.com
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:22 am
by vicious_blood
Onibubba wrote: Isn't there a newjerseygothic.com
Lol...if there is, maybe we all should go join it.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:22 pm
by QueenOfTheFlock
charming arse wrote:Sir Diddimus wrote:No, wait....
Come to Sanctus!!!! I have some friends you'd like to meet. I'll even save this thread for Jay, so he can read it when he gets home.
I wouldn't expect to see him at Sanctus. People who spout off their opinions incessantly against the will of others to hear, let alone make personal attacks based on their apriori instead of reality, are very rarely present when mature confrontation is made available.
He probably doesn't help his mommy with the laundry either.
Haha..have I told you lately that I love you?
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:54 pm
by Synthpopalooza
Ok, I missed this thread. My 5 quatloos' worth:
We got Saddam. I never liked the guy, he did bad things to his people. But there is no way you are going to get me to believe that any of this is for the benefit of the American people ... looks to me like this is benefitting the Iraqis more than us. True, he was a nasty scumsucking evil son of a beesnatch ... but last I remembered, he wasn't the one who had planes diving into our buildings in NYC and killing thousands.
All this is, is an attempt by Baby Bush to show his Daddy, "See, I got him while you couldn't" ... we needed someone to blame for 9-11, so we went after the one hated figure in the middle east we knew we could get.
In the meantime ... has everyone forgot about the rotten rat-bastard who REALLY did this? Osama??? HE'S the one we need to get ... in the meantime, we've been wasting time in Iraq, allowing Al Qaeda to regroup, diverting our resources from hunting him down to pursue this bit of revenge on the part of our president.
Don't get me wrong, I have every respect for our military. That's why this war disturbs me, because I see it as a major foreign policy blunder on our part. We went after the wrong target.
Ok, I'll calm down now.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:38 pm
by junkie christ
hes raised a good point
to quote the daily show:
wow. all this time at war just to catch a man who had nothing to do 9-11
not saying that demeans the arrest, just voicing how much im gonna party when we catch osama.
and we will. hopefully soon.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:18 pm
by pryjmaty
I have only one question for the admin and mods of this board: Has Logic been banned yet?
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:32 pm
by FreakySeekers
Logic wrote:I would love to even though I got what you were just putting across but unfortunately I live in New Jersey.
I have a question for "logic": Do you go around New Jersey spewing this crap? Or do you only feel safe doing it online, with people you know are a safe distance away?
I've spent some time in NJ. There are plenty of places there where they would be happy to hear your point of view, and engage in some lively debate with you. Please, go find one of them. Who knows? Maybe some day we'll be able to find out which building foundation you became a part of, and spray paint
on the wall as a memorial.
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:36 pm
by scarecrow
FreakySeekers wrote:Logic wrote:I would love to even though I got what you were just putting across but unfortunately I live in New Jersey.
I have a question for "logic": Do you go around New Jersey spewing this crap? Or do you only feel safe doing it online, with people you know are a safe distance away?
I've spent some time in NJ. There are plenty of places there where they would be happy to hear your point of view, and engage in some lively debate with you. Please, go find one of them. Who knows? Maybe some day we'll be able to find out which building foundation you became a part of, and spray paint
on the wall as a memorial.
ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Damn I love you man!
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:03 pm
by darkvader
ok, enough.
I think I've probably let this sniping at each other go on too long as it is.
locked.