File sharing

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:20 am

If you file share, whether is be Kazaa, WinMX or what not read this article. It is important and needs to be addressed.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html

kimmie

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:35 am

littlepockit wrote:If you file share, whether is be Kazaa, WinMX or what not read this article. It is important and needs to be addressed.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html

kimmie

shit need to finish my transfers and delete that system eh?

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:42 am

here is the link to the actual bills...

http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20030716_conyer-berman.php

Darkintent · Post by **Darkintent** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:48 am

It's rather Ironic.... You can rob a store without a gun, and it's a misdemeanor... You upload a single mp3 to the Internet, and it's a felony... Capitolism anyone?

MahoganyDawn · Post by **MahoganyDawn** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:14 am

Great. Just freaking lovely. ;oP

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:20 am

Darkintent wrote:It's rather Ironic.... You can rob a store without a gun, and it's a misdemeanor... You upload a single mp3 to the Internet, and it's a felony... Capitolism anyone?

Damn skippy.

:rofl:

Capitolism!!

creapyrob · Post by **creapyrob** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:03 pm

This will never fly, there aren't enough prisons. There never will be.

Its like speeding, if I had to go to jail fo speeding then there would be 1,000,000's of people in jail, and the real criminals would be let free cause 'us speeders need to be taught a lesson.'

And how are they planning to monitor for 'file sharing,' wouldn't implementation of spyware be an invasion of my rights, etc?

And $15 million to the justice department to look for people is a fucking joke. they'd probably spend that much on coffee and paper clips.

creapyrob · Post by **creapyrob** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:15 pm

According to the law proposed the people have to proof 4 things:

What was stolen,
How it was stolen,
who stole it,

AND (the best part)

" (4) the estimated financial loss caused by the violation."

Gee I wonder who it gonna give them that information? The record lables?

Here is HoR John Duncan's website. All of you Knox countians he's your House Rep, mine too. http://www.house.gov/duncan/

Zack Wamp is the House rep from district 3, Anderson, UNion, Granger, and part of Jefferson.

Any other questions go here and find your house: http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/info ... Cstate.htm

The link at the top of the page has all the listings and contact info for all the members.

creapyrob · Post by **creapyrob** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:27 pm

Sorry for the repetitive posts but check this out:

(2) by adding at the end the following: ``For purposes of section 2319(b) of title 18, the placing of a copyrighted work, without the authorization of the copyright owner, on a computer network accessible to members of the public who are able to copy the work through such access shall be considered to be the distribution, during a 180-day period, of at least 10 copies of that work with a retail value of more than $2,500.''.

So according to the bill the material distributed has to have 10 copies worth at least $2500 total? Does that sound right according to this?

So songs are out, but software on the other hand is included.

Sir Diddimus · Post by **Sir Diddimus** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:31 pm

creapyrob wrote:Here is HoR John Duncan's website. All of you Knox countians he's your House Rep, mine too. http://www.house.gov/duncan/

Zack Wamp is the House rep from district 3, Anderson, UNion, Granger, and part of Jefferson.

Any other questions go here and find your house: http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/info ... Cstate.htm

The link at the top of the page has all the listings and contact info for all the members.

Thank you, Rob. My e-mail has been sent.

Everyone who votes has the right to speak out against or for any legislation. It is your right, now use it!!!!

Here is the copy of my e-mail to John Duncan:

I am send this letter in response to the introduction of legislation to make file sharing a felony. I believe this to be in violation of my and everyone else's right to privacy. My computer is just that, my computer. The government has no right to my personal property.

I am a computer professional. While I don't not engage in the illegal sharing of copyrighted material, I believe this bill would allow for the stopping of legitimate file sharing. I share files and papers with other computer professionals. These files are in no way illegal or copyrighted. They are simply for research.

I am requesting that you vote this bill down. It violates my rights as a United States citizen.

Thank You,
Steven Lewis

div · Post by **div** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:51 pm

creapyrob wrote:(2) by adding at the end the following: ``For purposes of section 2319(b) of title 18, the placing of a copyrighted work, without the authorization of the copyright owner, on a computer network accessible to members of the public who are able to copy the work through such access shall be considered to be the distribution, during a 180-day period, of at least 10 copies of that work with a retail value of more than $2,500.''.

okay... the overly analytical div has a comment. "... on a computer network accessible to members of the public... " means that the files must be publicly available. As in, wide open to the public - like a webpage on the 'net - anyone can go there completely unchecked. All of the peer-to-peer systems I've played with required you to have an account, or a membership. While the enrollment is open to the public, to have access to the files, you must be a member. Which, unless I'm mistaken, is a rather large loophole...

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:55 pm

it is really that i would happen or not, it is just the thought that it might happen.

if i were to be charges $250,000 for each file i have i would be charged $225,000,000. 00 and spend the rest of my life in prison.

whew...

gotta email john. hehe...i actually can call him taht since i know him personally. his sister is my soon to be mother in laws best friend. she also teaches at bearden middle.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:16 pm

fuck em. let em jail me. like i fucking care. this will stay in lawsuits for YEARS.

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:42 pm

junkie christ wrote:fuck em. let em jail me. like i fucking care. this will stay in lawsuits for YEARS.

That's the spirit! Divert 'em so the rest of us can download all we want... wow JC, you never struck me as a team player, yet here you are, offering to take one for the team.

:lol:

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:55 pm

Nexxus23 wrote:
junkie christ wrote:fuck em. let em jail me. like i fucking care. this will stay in lawsuits for YEARS.

That's the spirit! Divert 'em so the rest of us can download all we want... wow JC, you never struck me as a team player, yet here you are, offering to take one for the team.

ive literally stabbed people for less than that. no shit.
obviously you missed the point. noones going to jail. noones getting sued for 1000000000000s of dollars. lots of people will get threatened in this RIAA thing. thats as far as it will get so just go on and say OH WE ARE GUILTY cuz your missing the forest for the trees... this shit is just a political pad votes that will never get passed in a million fucking years. its too grey of an area and that bill is INSANE.did u read the fines? shit. no fucking way. it will never go thru people. complain to you reps, itll get squashed. period. end of story.
attn anyone who reads this:
when it comes to the state of the world around you:
stop bitching and get off your ass and do something, otherwise your as worthless as the people that you bitch about. props to those who already have. my letter is typed.

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:46 pm

junkie christ wrote:<snipped>
when it comes to the state of the world around you:
stop bitching and get off your ass and do something, otherwise your as worthless as the people that you bitch about. props to those who already have. my letter is typed.

You're funny. :roll:

And no, methinks you missed the point. But whatever.

jjenisis · Post by **jjenisis** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:06 pm

The way I understood it, was people who had thousands and thousands on their hard drive sharing were the big fish they were looking for. As long as the majority is in a file location that is not share-able they willl not go after someone with 10-15 files. That would just take too much money and time to make it worth it. Anyway that was how I understood it when they were discussing it on the news... and EVERYONE knows if it was seen on TV it MUST be real. ....... right?

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:39 pm

Nexxus23 wrote:
junkie christ wrote:<snipped>
when it comes to the state of the world around you:
stop bitching and get off your ass and do something, otherwise your as worthless as the people that you bitch about. props to those who already have. my letter is typed.

You're funny. And no, methinks you missed the point. But whatever.

na. ive had the point. i think we should just agree we have different views of the same side of a coin and at least be glad we can debate about it and realize neither one of us is a dipshit. :-D

.
look at how many uninformed dipshits go crazy over this....
thank god most of KG IS and have something worthwhile to add....

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:05 pm

junkie christ wrote:na. ive had the point. i think we should just agree we have different views of the same side of a coin and at least be glad we can debate about it and realize neither one of us is a dipshit. .
look at how many uninformed dipshits go crazy over this....
thank god most of KG IS and have something worthwhile to add....

Oh, JC, that first post was just sarcasm.

But we're not on the same side of any coin- I don't really care about all this file-sharing stuff. It's just media fodder, and not worth worrying about.

But, again, whatever.

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