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Postby MMD » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:22 am

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Postby DarkVader » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:37 am

Akk. Not the "web 2.0" crap again.

It's just a buzzword. That's all it is.

I want "web 0.5" back again. You know, back when the look of a web page was gray or white, with black text, blue unclicked links, purple clicked links, and isolated images.

Hmmm... you know, if it wouldn't annoy so many people, I'd redesign KG with exactly that look. Something like this:

http://www.totic.org/nscp/demodoc/demo.html

Back then, you didn't need a gigabyte of RAM to browse the web, I remember getting pissed when Netscape didn't run as well as Mosaic with 8MB.
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Postby MMD » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:43 am

It still seems odd to me that one can become nostaligic about the internet. Vinyl discs, cars you could actually tinker with, rotary phones...those I understand.

But the net?

In any case, I'm still excited about all the possibilities the net holds. It is a revolution.
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Postby DarkVader » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:20 pm

vinyl records? there's something I'll never get nostalgic about. I hate those things.
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Postby MMD » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:26 pm

Yeah, well....it's very difficult to clean a bag of dope on a jewel-case.
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Postby DarkVader » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:07 pm

I wouldn't know.
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Postby iblis » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:03 pm

DarkVader wrote:Akk. Not the "web 2.0" crap again.

It's just a buzzword. That's all it is.


from a real interview
company: do you know ajax?
me: i know javascript, yes. and i know how to implement rpc calls, yes.
company: but do you know ajax?


christ, people. enough with the "web 2.0" shit.

i agree that xhtml and xml are better than standard html - for one thing, it makes it easier for me to scrape your site. :D

do i agree that everything on the web requires javascript? no. hell. fucking. no. while it's handy at times, it should never be a requirement to use a website.

in fact, i'd love to see more lynx compatible websites; and that's not just me being nostalgic, that's me liking a page to load almost before i click the link. preferably, while on dialup, but hey, a 1 second wait for a 14.4 is ok, i suppose.

heck, at this point, even giving me a choice would be nice. i.e., 'low-def' or 'high-def' or whatever.

MMD wrote:It still seems odd to me that one can become nostaligic about the internet. Vinyl discs, cars you could actually tinker with, rotary phones...those I understand.

hey, i still get nostalgic about BBS's. :mrgreen:

but seriously, i think it's for the same reason a person would feel nostalgia about anything.

not sure what you meant about cars though. as far as i understood, one could still tinker with them...
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Postby MMD » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:11 pm

The days of the shade-tree mechanic are almost entirely gone. Not that I ever claimed to have any mechanical aptitude.

I remember my brother pratically reducing his GTO to its component parts and putting it all back together many times...try doing that with a 2007 Camry.


As far as Web 2.0...it is just a buzzword. The net is evolving, and I can't help but be fascinated by the possibilities it holds. As guy approaching 50, I remember when PONG was cutting edge, so maybe the "gee-whiz" factor is stronger in me because my baseline was so damned primitive.
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Postby iblis » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:50 pm

MMD wrote:The days of the shade-tree mechanic are almost entirely gone. Not that I ever claimed to have any mechanical aptitude.

I remember my brother pratically reducing his GTO to its component parts and putting it all back together many times...try doing that with 2007 Camry.

couldn't say about the camry, but i have a friend who does the same with eclipses; he had to learn assembly (and the eclipse's particular opcodes) to muck around with its ECU, but that was just because he wanted to automate things / make his own brand of 'dummy' lights.

MMD wrote:As far as Web 2.0...it is just a buzzword. The net is evolving, and I can't help but be fascinated by the possibilities it holds. As guy approaching 50, I remember when PONG was cutting edge, so maybe the "gee-whiz" factor is stronger in me because my baseline was so damned primitive.

pong is still cutting edge, it's just different than it was before. technology and human knowledge stands still for no one; for example, i think "gee-whiz" at self-healing armor (as noted in this forum), or heat-rays (hey, the us military just unveiled that one to the public not too long ago), or cybernetic limb replacement.

twenty years from now, those won't be crap on a stick - i'll probably be laughed at for mentioning them, at that point in time.

basically what i'm saying is that appreciating our technology's advancements isn't bad at all. it's good. heck, it's expected. but when marveling 'outloud' (in the online sense) be prepared for other people's opinions; some of us do work in those areas, and might have various thoughts on the matters. it isn't that your opinion is wrong; it could very well be what everyone else thinks, too.

that's the other wonder of the internet: just like in meatspace, you get to hear everyone else's opinion on a matter, even and/or especially if it's shit.

thus, just like meatspace, if you let it roll off you, you're as good as gold.

by the way, while it's far too late to copyright the sob, i'm coining that term. meatspace. motherfuckin' meatspace.

yeah. :mrgreen:
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Postby MMD » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:19 am

Being new here, the opinions of others on this board don't mean squat to me yet. I haven't learned to hold anyone in particular in high enough regard for their opinion to hurt me yet. The opinions of strangers is of no particular importance to me.

Once I get to know some of the minds here, that may change.

note: despite the dire warnings to the contrary, I DID click on an Iblis link. Aside from the fact that my keyboard melted, it seems to have done no real damage.

Nanotech and biotech give me a science erection. I think the next fifty years are going to rock.
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Postby Celestial Dung » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:10 am

I've seen that video before and I still don't get it. I'm looking at what dude is doing and I'm thinking to myself "Dude we're already doing that...humans interacting with each other regarding information and what not. That's just so ....I don't know....five years ago?"

It's a cute concept video, I just wish it had a bit more wonder to it.

Regarding Web 2.0, what exactly is it? I'm reading an article in Wikipedia on the matter and most of it sounds old hat. the only thing that sounds remotely cutting edge is utilities online, and that's probably a good year old or so.

I suppose my main problem with the video itself is I expected a more aspect of wonder to go along with the concept. It just sounds like a guy went online for the first time in his life and is just now realizing that egads and blow your nose technology is bringing intellects together.

I can't get into nostalgia due to my religious training. As a follower of the great Web I have conditioned myself to believe that life before the internet never existed. Currently I am working toward the path of realizing that I always had broadband and dialup is an illusion. Aummmmmn....whop bop a loo bop.
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Postby iblis » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:02 am

Celestial Dung wrote:Regarding Web 2.0, what exactly is it? I'm reading an article in Wikipedia on the matter and most of it sounds old hat. the only thing that sounds remotely cutting edge is utilities online, and that's probably a good year old or so.

basically it's a term for more interactive web pages. dynamic xhtml or xml + css + javascript. a lot of times, it means forcing your browser to make connections to server-side scripts to pull information behind the scenes. it's a nice concept when it's applicable, but as far as i recall it hasn't had that shiney new feeling since '98.

example: if you're registering on a forum/webmail/webservice, after you type in the username you'd like, if it tells you if your username is already taken or free for use without you clicking a button or the page reloading - that's the over-glorified, over-hyped web 2.0.

and you're right - it's old hat, indeed.

it does have uses. google maps is a prime example - it polls their servers to keep up with your activity on their site, allowing you to zoom in on their maps without constantly reloading the entire page.

another good use would be shoutboxes on forums and web pages. basically like a chatroom, but it only reloads the chatroom itself, without the need for an iframe. definitely not lynx compatible, but it looks neat in firefox.

well, that and web 2.0 is a buzzword to get marketing teams and corporate executives riled up. it does that really well. :mrgreen:
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