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Postby Jack » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:17 pm

DarkVader wrote:OK. Non-zero, but very, very, small amount of conjectural evidence.


As we have both admitted, neither of us is actually aware of precisely how "big" or "small" the amount of evidence is, actually, non?

I'm no archeologist, is you?
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Postby DarkVader » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:19 pm

Jack wrote:
DarkVader wrote:OK. Non-zero, but very, very, small amount of conjectural evidence.


As we have both admitted, neither of us is actually aware of precisely how "big" or "small" the amount of evidence is, actually, non?

I'm no archeologist, is you?


No. So let's ask one.

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Postby Hardcoregirl » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:24 pm

Cameron and I are the only archaeologically trained members of the forum...and we are just shovel bums..but...

Anybody can write a paper and put it on the internet.

Anybody can make the data and evidence say what they want it to say.

The mormons have archaeologists that work for them that can "prove' their idea that the lost tribes of israel= the native americans and that Jesus came to North America.

Just googling it I haven't found anything that is from a source I know as reputable...

I suppose I could ask the PhD archaeologists at the lab but they'd probably laugh at me.

I'm not saying its IMPOSSIBLE that the egyptians traveled by ship, but I have never heard of any such thing in my archaeology classes, though I studied North american archaeology.

I suppose I could research it at UT, look up the info in Arch databases and journals...but...I don't really have the time or interest.

But Atlantis?? I don't think so.
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Postby vertigo25 » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:31 pm

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vertigo25 wrote:Almost certainly related, that is, you know... if you ignore every single bit of archeological, historical, anthropological and genetic evidence.


Wrong. There is substantial evidence for a link between the ancient Egyptian civilization and the Americas.

http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_2000/wells.html


Jonathan has already mentioned the fact that it's an undergrad paper and off-topic for the subject, so I won't pine away on that (it is significant, though). What I will point out is that the cited papers discuss *possible* connections *and* possible explanations of those connections *if* they do, indeed, exist. These are the kinds of papers which any self-respecting scientist looks at, takes with a grain of salt, and then puts through the validation machine. If it turns out to have a bit of merit, then it's usually agreed that it warrants further research.

Even allowing that there are those who do feel that this subject warrants research, the paper you link to and the papers it sites could hardly be considered "substantial evidence." The fact that there are so many critics of a pre-Columbian cross-cultural explanation for the substances in the mummies, plus the fact that those criticisms create (more than) reasonable doubt shows that this could hardly even be considered "evidence," let alone "substantial."

However, the real matter here is that the author of the Mayan Prophecy nonsense is trying to draw a direct relation between the two peoples. Of course, at some point all peoples were most-likely related in the genetic sense, but I take what he says to mean that these two people were *directly* genetically related or at least influenced each other's cultures.

Granted, that's probably a lot of inference on my part, but given the tone of the entire piece, I'm gonna stand by it. It's something you hear frequently from a lot of quacks (c'mon the guy even says that the two people were related by the continent of Atlantis). "Oooh! Mayans had pyramids... Egyptians too! They had to have communication!"

There's a hell of a lot more in that shit, to show that the author is a quack.

Historically the Schumann Resonance has held steady at a frequency of around 7.83Hz, however in recent years Schumann Resonance has increased to as high as 12Hz, the highest possible believed to be 13Hz.


Is erroneous at best. The Schumann Resonance not only has never "held steady" at "around" (I'm wondering how something can both hold steady and be a round figure) 7.83Hz, but it shows a complete misunderstanding of what Schumann Resonance is.

The magnetic field of Earth has been progressively reducing over the years, and in fact appear to be doing so proportional to Schumann Resonance although they may not be directly connected.


Um... all magnetic fields decay. All of 'em. The half life of the Earth's magnetic field is about 1400 years. In the last 150 years (we've only been measuring it sin the 1830's, BTW) is about 10% to 15%. There has been no spike, increase, or peak, in that decay since we began measuring it.

...a large increase in these creatures going off-course and beaching themselves.


I don't know for certain, but am *pretty* sure this is just bullshit.

C'mon, Jack. I know you're smarter than this...
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Postby DarkVader » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:37 pm

vertigo25 wrote:Jonathan has already mentioned the fact that it's an undergrad paper and off-topic for the subject, so I won't pine away on that (it is significant, though).


Slight point of correction, it's a 500 level grad paper. That's first year master's program, slightly better than undergrad. (but only slightly)
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Postby Jack » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:54 pm

vertigo25 wrote:I don't know for certain, but am *pretty* sure this is just bullshit.

C'mon, Jack. I know you're smarter than this...


Oh, I'm not saying I believe any of that wacky stuff. I was only addressing that there are a significant number of people who believe there may have been Egyptian-American trade, and that there is at least some debatable evidence for it.

Like I said, I'm not saying I definitely believe it. I just wanted to make sure the thread reflected the truth. You made it sound like literally nobody even considers the possibility.
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Postby iblis » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:25 pm

computers are going to stop working after 2000 A.D.

pass it on.
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Postby Hardcoregirl » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:04 pm

iblis wrote:computers are going to stop working after 2000 A.D.

pass it on.


LOL.

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Postby footprintzinthesand » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:54 am

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